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Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Wed Jan 08, 2003 7:58 pm

Interesting article on the possibility that some VS schedules may be disrupted if some of its pilots are called upon to fly military aircraft in the event of a war with Iraq. Other British airlines also employ ex-military reservists, but Virgin appears to have a higher number than others.

I presume they would fly transport aircraft? The UK government would ostensibly compensate the reservists based on VS pro-rata rates.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-536119,00.html
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:30 pm

Oh, so if a war breaks out in Iraq, it won't only be aggressive, unjustified and plainly morally wrong, but it will, additional to the normal amount of economic depression in the airline sector, reduce schedules by using up pilots...

This gets more and more depressing every day.  Pissed
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:54 pm

For the last remeberence day, BA got three of it's reservist pilots to pose in their military uniforms, one was RAF reserve, one Fleet Air Arm and the other Army Air Corps, I remember one of the pilots was a Concorde Captain, he was the Navy reservist I think. But I don't know how many military reserve crews BA have.
However, I would doubt if significant numbers of airline pilots are currently planned to be called up, most of the reservists mentioned on the news were army, for medical support and other specialist tasks, the RAF contribution is not likely to be huge as it was in the last Gulf War, as the RAF already has substantial assets in the Gulf this time.
But the US specifically requested aerial recon, (Canberra PR.9/Tornado GR.4A) air to air refuelling, (L1011 and VC-10), special forces, (supported by C-130, Chinook and possibly EH-101), plus minesweepers.
However what the UK is likely to send will go way beyond this, looking like a substantial amphibious force, which will be largely helicopter and fast boat inserted Royal Marines from ships, two armoured brigades, which will require Army and RAF helicopters and a beefing up of Tornado aircraft announced today.
But if the Concorde Captain mentioned above stops appearing in the flight crew rosters, I'll be proved wrong as he'll no doubt be in the Gulf!
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Wed Jan 08, 2003 11:38 pm

I'll go and fill in for the Virgin pilots whilst they are away!! Wouldn't mind playing on one of their 744s for a few months... Big grin
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 12:55 am

If war does break out in the Gulf (and let's hope it doesen't) I doubt very much that Virgin or anyone else in US/Europe will be operating their full complement of schedules. During the last Gulf War due to the increased terrorism threat as well as the economic uncertainty that surrounded everything at the time many airlines at least halved their frequencies. So I don't think that VS would miss lending a few pilots to the RAF!
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:01 am

That's the big worry, during the last Gulf War, (well before any terrorist attacks on the US), there was a sharp reduction in mostly US pax, I remember it well, great for staff travel but little else!
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:07 am

I disagree, it is wrong to equate the effects a potential Iraq conflict with those experienced during Gulf War. Since that time the Middle East has seen many more conflicts, and itself has been an area of conflict in many regards.

That was not the case before the Gulf War, the effects therefore should not be as damaging (we can all hope). Of course there is no denying there would be a slump, but I still think all this comparison with the Gulf War is pretty meaningless.
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:38 am

One of Virgin's pilots is an ex Red Arrows team leader. Do you think he will be needed?  Big grin
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:35 am

Adrian Thurley. Last time I heard he was flying the A340.
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 5:52 am

Rick767 - You are telling us there was no war in the Middle East before the 1990/1991 Gulf War? What do they teach you in history classes in the UK???

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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:34 am

I tip my cap the reservists who wear two different suites. I also thank our great friend the United Kingdom for standing tall against the wind with us.
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:54 am

If we go to war with Iraq why bother with flying any planes between ths US and UK,ai'nt gona be no passengers!..1 daily 747 will be sufficient!

If this does happen,and hell i hope it does not,then UA,US and HP will enter chapter 7.BA will ground half the 744/777 fleet and the european 757 fleet,Virgin will ground numerous planes,AA will enter chapter 11 as will CO and NW.

Numerous European charter airlines will go under as passenger numbers vanish overnight.

The only airlines to break even in the states will be Jetblue,Airtran,Alaska and Airtran.

Just my $0.02

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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:19 am

GBD

There are no BA Concorde Captains in any branch of the military reserve.

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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:22 am

Bellerophon, Was it a F/O then?
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:08 am

GBD

Could have been, I don't know as I didn't see the photo/article, but it is at least possible.

I wouldn’t like to think that an experienced engineer might rely on anything reported in the "Friday Firelighter".  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:21 am

Re. Adrian Thurley,

that must have been a recent switch then. I know he was on the 747 classics (well, he was in the ITVV 747 classic video), and I'd imagine that he would rise through the ranks on that particular aircraft.
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:14 am

There was a photo of the reservists on the front of 'Pravda' in November. I just scan it for what they are saying about us, who has left or died that I may have worked with in the past, any decent staff travel offers and if someone I know has made a tit of himself on the letters page!
I cannot remember the name of the Concorde pilot,
 
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RE: Vs Pilots Could Be Flying RAF Gulf Missions

Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:22 am

Alot of the pilots I hear talking about their military backgrounds seem to be either Harrier pilots or C-130 pilots with the odd instructor here and there.

Have to look out for the Red Arrows guy, maybe he can sort out a backseat flight for me Big grin

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