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AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 8:55 am

As an employee for Alaska Airlines, I can attest that everything we've heard up to today has been "Boeing, all the way." The company has even talked about possibly acquiring B-737-800 equipment to replace the -400s in time.

You can imagine my surprise when I saw this posted at usaviation.com today:

On December 24, 2002, we received a letter from Alaska Airlines' Cathryn
V. Dammel, Staff VP Labor and Employment Law, informing us that the
Company "...desires to establish a rate of pay for Airbus aircraft to
include A318s, A319s, A320s and A321s." A copy of Ms. Dammel's letter
is attached. On January 6, 2003, your MEC officers met with George
Bagley, Executive VP/Operations, Gregg Saretsky, Executive VP/Marketing
and Planning, and Kevin Finan, VP/Flight Operations. At this meeting,
the Company explained that although it has not made a firm decision to
acquire Airbus equipment, establishing rates of pay for these aircraft
would be helpful in developing the Company's business and fleet plans
and in dealing with aircraft manufacturers.

The MEC Negotiating Committee is meeting this week to review the
Company's request. Former Negotiating Committee members who
participated in last year's negotiations concerning a rate of pay for
the B737-900, the Chairman of the MEC Training Committee, and MEC
officers and staff also are taking part in these discussions. The
Company has agreed to provide necessary trip drops in order for the MEC
to hold a special meeting on January 13-14, 2003, to formulate a
response to the Company's letter.

The MEC welcomes the opportunity to work with the Company to reach an
agreement that promotes profitability and enhances the career
expectations of all Alaska pilots. Please remember that any time
negotiations take place, the communications structure your MEC has put
in place is the most reliable source for accurate, "spin free"
information. We will keep you informed as these discussions proceed.

Thank you for staying informed.



So here are my theories:

1. This is just the company's way of getting their negotiating chips in order before talking to Boeing about new aircraft.

2. That maybe, juuuuuuuuust maybe, those rumors about merging with Frontier aren't as far-fetched as we've all thought.  Nuts
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 9:08 am

We've all learned from the EasyJet Airbus order that anything is possible.

It seems odd that Alaska Airlines would buy Airbus, but hey anything is possible.

Maybe they'll get some old DC-3s one day and refurbish them!  Smile

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 9:40 am

Well all good things must come to an end. The good thing I speak of was Alaska's "commitment to Boeing products". Yes it's true Alaska is looking at the Airbus and they are more than likely to come onto the property now that Management sent out a letter to the pilots asking to negotiate pay for the A319/A320/A321. It must be getting bad for Boeing when the hometown airline buys from your rival.


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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 9:44 am

What exactly is the reason why Alaska is even considering Airbus?

Is Airbus offering an offer they can't resist? Is that the case?

Or does Alaska feel it's time for a change?  Smile

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 9:57 am

Maybe a little payback to Boeing for moving the corporate headquarters out of Seattle?  Big grin


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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:03 am

LOL FATFlyer. They may be it!  Smile

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:03 am

I hate it when I make typing errors.

I meant to say "That may be it!"

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:22 am

How about A330s for long haul flights ? That may make sense .
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:40 pm

I suspect the only reason AS would get an Easyjet-type give away the store deal is if they offered Airbus entry into a geographical area or service type they are weak in. Easyjet and possibly JetBlue got good deals because they are low cost carriers and Airbus didn't have any real penetration into that market when those deals were made. I suspect USair and Northwest are getting really good deals on A-330s because airbus widebodies(especially that series) are not established in the US yet for passenger service.

Yet the A320s are in wide use in the US, by both traditional and low-cost carriers, so it would be pointless to offer AS an especially good deal. This would be especially true now, since Airbus has to sell the A-380 for so cheap. Even Airbus's subsidized pockets are not limitless.

A Frontier merger sounds believable to me. Very believable. Yet Frontier has been burned in one merger before (WestJet). And mergers cost allot of money in transition costs. So a merger anytime soon would have some problems.

I doubt moving headquarters ticked them off though, however. The job loss to Seattle is not really that huge - all of those big factories and offices are still there - it is mainly the executives that moved. And AS is big enough not to have any special loyalty to any particular city - at least not THAT strong a loyalty.

If we could bet, my money would be that they are tying to scare Boeing into giving them a better deal. Also it wouldn't hurt AS also to give the Unions good pay rates on an A/C type that will never enter the fleet anyway....that would be a good way to give the false appearance of offering a concession in negotiations.
 
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:42 pm

Three possible reasons for this,

1.) just for comparative information to have on hand for any future negotiations between the company and either the pilots union (about pay raises) or with Boeing (A-320-737NG comparison).

2.) They are looking at a takeover of Frontier.

3.) They are looking at a takeover of HP.
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:50 pm

It must be getting bad for Boeing when the hometown airline buys from your rival

Kind of like AF continually choosing 777s over A340s?  Big grin
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:57 pm

I'm trying - and failing - to imagine why Alaska (AS) and Frontier (F9) would merge.

It's two completely different cultures and two completely different fleets. F9's route map doesn't give AS much that it doesn't have already

I can see a code share maybe - AS on F9's Mexico services and F9 on AS's Alaska routes.

But other than that, I can't see what's in it for Alaska, other than a dozen gates at DEN, and I surely can't see what's in it for F9.

As a (small) shareholder in F9, I'd be one very unhappy bunny.

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:04 pm

All I'm going to say is I hope a merger between Alaska and Frontier doesn't happen. It would mean a loss of a lot of jobs and the closing of Frontier's corporate headquarters, and of course the famous wild-life airline would disappear.

The airline industry becomes a little more dull. Less variety....

ConcordeBoy,

Air France operates both 777s and A340s.
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:09 pm

Mariner-

Alaska definitely wouldn't need Frontier for Mexico services. AS currently enjoys Mexican operations that dwarf anything F9 has.

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:18 pm

EA CO AS:

Oh, I agree. I've flown with AS to Mexico several times.

I'm simply trying to find reasons for a connection/merger/take over, and AS has said they'd like to fly from Denver to Mexico.

That talk died down when F9 started their Mexico routes. So a code share on Denver/Cancun would make more sense - to me - than a merger.

I doubt it will happen. But then I don't think a merger/takeover will happen, either.

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:39 pm

Mariner-

I definitely see your point, although a DEN-CUN codeshare wouldn't make much sense for AS and F9.

DEN-CUN passengers can go nonstop on F9. Why cut AS in on the fun when you don't have to?

Likewise, SEA-CUN passengers can have same-plane service on AS via LAX. Why connect them to F9 in DEN when you don't have to?

Codesharing to Mexico destinations on F9 via DEN would only make sense for QX, assuming they were to drastically increase operations there from places like GEG, BIL, BOI, etc. They are actually reducing their operations there, as the QX service to DEN hasn't taken off like it has for AS.

I know that at one point AS and F9 were discussing codeshare possibilities, but it just didn't make sense when all the options were laid out.

Here's my one reason for thinking a merger or buyout is a distinct possibility:

United Airlines.

UA remains Alaska's biggest competitor, bar none. They've battled them for years, and have done reasonably well so far.

UA is Frontier's biggest competitor by a long shot. They've carved out a great niche for themselves in the DEN market, and have thrived there.

Now that UA is on the ropes...why not join forces to really take over the West Coast?

A combination of AS and F9, while not perfect on paper, makes for a West Coast juggernaut that can handle just about any threat and thrive in the most competitive air market in the world.
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:54 pm

EA CO AS

Your points are all valid, but I'm still wary of mergers and take-overs. An alliance would be a different matter.

I first bought a few shares in F9 soon after the Westpac debacle - and didn't really expect the splendid results I've had.

That said, I see no point in AS and F9 being "enemies", and some sort of alliance could make good sense.

There's at least one other airline sniffing around F9 - JetBlue has been some "due diligence", but I'd be a tad wary of that, too.

Call me sentimental, but I'd like F9 to keep it's own, individual identity.

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Thu Jan 09, 2003 2:59 pm

On a semi-related note, I've wondered whether AS has considered some used 763's to start SEA/ANC-NRT flights etc? With AA just pulling out of SEA-NRT, maybe AS could grab the route authority?
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Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:06 pm

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3.) They are looking at a takeover of HP.


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Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:23 pm

As much as I had hoped for it, I never expected Airbus to be taking on Boeing to this extent.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:24 pm

Mariner-

Agreed; an alliance would make more sense than an outright merger. Either way, WN and B6 will definitely have their work cut out for them in the West.


GotAirbus-

If I may interject, the "AS takover of HP" rumor had legs right after 9/11, but dropped off the radar a few months later.

The way management had worded it was really interesting. Something along the lines of, "Well, we're waiting to see how things go in Phoenix. We might have some VERY big opportunities there if things unfold the right way for us," etc.


Yyz717-

AS has been fearful of adding new fleet types for awhile now, which is why the potential for "Airbii" on the property has me scratching my head. Regardless, making the jump to a 763 just doesn't fit the company's style.

Boeing offered fire-sale rates on the B-757 awhile back, and AS definitely should look into that option, especially since Boeing really needs new orders for that line. AS could use at least 5 to 10 757s for their longhauls and high-density routes. Maybe now they can get past their paranoia about new fleet types and grab the equipment they need.

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Thu Jan 09, 2003 3:26 pm

jetBlue would have far more to gain from acquiring F9 than AS would.

I'm wary of the overall efficacy of the LGB "hub" for JB. The numerous noise complaints already seem to be an indicator.

A combined JB-F9 route network would be very strong E-W, and LGB would be extra gravy.

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Thu Jan 09, 2003 5:03 pm

I was shocked when I first read this..but thinking about it I believe that Airbus might just work for AS..I think it would be a better fit overall..since they can range from 318--321...Also I can see a merger with F9 working...not HP..god help us if that happens
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2003 5:08 pm

AS is a full-service airline, as is HP, right?

F9 is a low cost.

They're very different.

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Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:36 pm

Gigneil-

AS, HP, and F9 all fit into a new category.."hybrid" carriers. They're all relatively low-cost, but are essentially full-service carriers (interlining bags, meals at mealtime, seat assignments, etc).

So no, they're not at all different.
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Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:13 pm

Yet another airline with an all-Boeing fleet possibly ordering Airbus aircraft. It's not surprising that management is considering Airbus since they're able to offer cheaper prices & more flexible payment terms than Boeing (it seems). Airbus is going for market share & not profit, and the results recently have reflected Airbus' success in gaining market share from Boeing.

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:09 am

Since when has Airbus had to worry about profit? When that is the case you can use both fair means and foul, mostly foul, to obtain your goals.
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:42 am

Hkg82-

Wow, yet another diehard Airbus fan taking a swipe at Boeing! Imagine my surprise.  Insane

Well, you can stop patting yourself on the back. AS won't order Airbus planes. The likelihood is that they're preparing a list of possible Airbus pilot payscales to chart what their ownership costs (purchase, repair, operations) would be vs. Boeing's 737NG product line so they can better negotiate with Boeing for more attractive prices.

And if they ever did end up operating Airbus planes, it would be solely from purchasing another carrier that currently operates them.
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:49 am

I hope AS does not opt for the 'bus.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:55 am

EA CO AS:
Sheesh, so from my post you were able to deduce that i'm pro-Airbus & anti-Boeing? Read again or look at my history of posts. I just said it's a *possibility* and stated why that *could* be the case.

Just because someone posts something that puts Airbus or Boeing in favorable light, it doesn't mean they're pro one conpany & anti another!

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:02 am

Hkg82-

It certainly seemed that way, but please accept my apologies since that's apparently not the case. I also had you confused with another member (with a similar username) who routinely takes cheap jabs at Boeing, the U.S. government, and Americans in general.

Sorry for the mixup!
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:03 am

Just curious, Boeing sold 100+50 737s to Ryanair 45% under list price, so they don't care about profit aswell?
Or is this just another "who cares what I said/did yesterday" Boeing thing, just like with the "fly-by-wire is evil" or "the pilot always has to have 100% control over the aircraft and may never be overruled by the computer" lies, where Boeing did exactly what they had condemned the day before?

Or what is the excuse for this, you "diehard" (to qoute EA_CO_AS) Boeing fans?

EADS cares as much about profit and shareholder value as Boeing does.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:12 am

EA CO AS:

I had suspected that you might've had me mixed-up with Hkgspotter1. Yes, my post does come off as 'pro-Airbus' but that's only because I'm making a point about Airbus regarding the topic.

Don't worry, slight misunderstanding.  Smile

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:13 am

EADS cares about profits-- but Airbus does not have similar pressure. Airbus can record accounting profits but operate at an economic loss which I suspect is the case.

Boeing will have to eat any loss on the Ryanair deal. Most financial analysts acknowledge that Boeing would make little off of Ryanair. These same analysts say that Airbus secured the Easyjet deal by taking a loss. Airbus offered to pay for all training, the costs of having a mixed fleet, and performance guarantees. I will find some links but the two deals are not comparable in any meaningful way.

Boeing's FBW system is different than Airbus. FBW is simply method of transmission from the controls to the control surfaces. Boeing has stuck to its original design philosophy while adopting FBW.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:18 am

EA CO AS,
That was a unthoughtful post. Seems like you have something against Hkg82 and the way you labeled him as a 'diehard Airbus fan'...Don't you find that a bit extreme? I suspect you actually read his post? 'Taking a swipe at Boeing' ? Very unthoughtful, well done, try again. You're being very defensive against someone who remotely even suggests support for Airbus, so may I label you as a 'Die-hard Boeing Fan?"
Looks like you're trying to stir up an argument.

I totally agree with Hkg82, "Airbus is going for market share & not profit". But if you don't think so, then that's fine, we're allowed to have our own opinions.

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:42 am

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Sir, if you'd bothered to read my reply to Hkg82, you'd see that I apologized to him for my post. If you want to label a post as "unthoughtful," I wholeheartedly suggest you look at the one you just made.

It's a small man who jumps in on someone after they've apologized for their error.

For the record, I have no bias for or against Airbus products. They build a fine airplane, but I personally prefer Boeing aircraft. It's not because I'm American, or anti-European, or any other label that rabid Airbus fans (and you and I both know some exist here) routinely try to pin on people who disagree with their point of view.
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:51 am

Let's end this minor spat here please...  Smile

(onto the topic)

AS already have the 739, so this speaks volumes about the kind of offer Airbus can present to airlines!!

Oh one more thing, I don't know much about Alaska Airlines, but how come they're based in Seattle?

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:11 am

Thanks Hkg82. Rather than bore you with a really lengthy post about Alaska Airlines, I'll include this link:

http://www.alaskaair.com/www2/company/History/History.asp

It will take you to a page where you can access the company's overview, history, and other information.

Hope this helps!  Smile
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:20 am

Thanks EA CO AS! It certainly will!

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:23 am

The merger Frontier got burned on was with Western Pacific (WestPac) not WestJet. Frontier merging with Alaska is actually a logical step. Frontier already has a well established E-W route structure that would complement some of Alaska's E-W service and give AS service to several new cities on the East Coast. But as for the Airbus rumor, with Alaska being one of the launch customers for the 737-900, it would be a slap in the face of Boeing. Now if they do order Airbus a/c, it would start out first to replace the 737 Classics and the MD-80s, with the 737NGs either staying on for many years and then get replaced with Airbus a/c, unless Airbus does a swap deal similar to what Boeing has done with Singapore Airlines. Alaska has done the manufacturer swap several times going back and forth between Boeing and MDD, and I guess now they'll make Airbus their new dance partner.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:45 am

Srbmod:

Sorry, I still can't see the logic. As I've said, it's two different cultures (F9 is one class, low fare) and two completely different fleets.

The F9 route map doesn't give AS much that don't have already, or could easily - and more cheaply - get on it's own.

IF it happened, AS would acquire a number of Airbus planes. Sure, they could sell the ones that F9 actually owns (is buying), but they'd be stuck with some very long term leases for the others.

Not to mention the PTV's, which AS would either have to keep - making that part of the fleet "special" - or get rid of, since AS has already said they're not going for LiveTV.

Since F9 shareholders would expect a fairly hefty premium, the deal would cost AS a fair amount of money. They could get HP (America West) for half the price.

So what would AS get from F9 for that money? A dozen gates in DEN. A few routes they don't have. And a number of Airbi for which they'd need to maintain an engineering base.

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Fri Jan 10, 2003 3:58 am

N79969,

the Boeing 777-300ER has a computer system which prevents tailstrikes during rotation. If the pilot pulls his yoke too strong, the computer automatically overrules him. Boeing has before stated several times, that they that the pilot should always have full control over the aircraft and may never be overruled by a computer. And now that's exactly what they are doing.


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Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:20 am

Racko,

I did not know that about the 773ER. Thanks for the information. But I don't think that example represents that much of a departure from Boeing's design philosophy. It limits pitch under a very specific circumstance-- rotation-- on a very long aircraft. Boeing's control system still relays pilot input to the controls. The Airbus cockpit still 'translates' pilot input into action.

I don't think Airbus will make any money off of that deal. They bought their way into the low-cost market. That may turn out to be good long-term business decision.

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2002/10/28/story2.html

But Boeing does not have the same type of access to capital that Airbus enjoys and their respective sales tactics demonstrate that. They really don't use the same methods.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2003 4:52 am

G'day

Quote from airlinesafety.com

Alaska Airlines, Flight 261, an MD-83, crashed into the Pacific Ocean near the Channel Islands, off of Port Hueneme, California on January 31, 2000, with the loss of all 88 souls on board

Wasn't this all blamed to poor maintenance by the airline with no fault found whatsoever of the manufacturer?

Just a thought, but this may have to do with AS shopping around.

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:17 am

Gee Peter, thanks for dredging that up and opening old wounds. All of us at Alaska Airlines really appreciate that.  Pissed

Anyway, my thoughts are this is just about wringing extra deals out of Boeing the next time we need to buy more 737NGs. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's certainly the best bet.

The AS/F9 marriage is still a possibility, but a really slim one.
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:20 am

Sorry Peter. I'm having a less-than-stellar day with my fingers hitting the wrong keys when posting! I meant to have that face be a wink instead of the snarling nasty guy. I thought I'd hit "edit" but I posted it instead.

This:  Big grin

Not this:  Pissed
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:36 am

I used to think that the comments in the mid 90's that Airbus made (cant remember exact wording) in AWST about how they werent going to stop until Boeing went out of business were fubar/exagerated. Well, with this latest news, it doesnt sound good for Boeing.
 
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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 7:51 am

G'day

EA CO AS, I had no intentions to open any wounds. However, Boeing in the past has not been overly considerate towards their clientele if their own interests seemed to be at stake. US Air is just one example, Alaska may be another.

Arrogance is tolerated up to a certain degree, but at one point people realize they have a choice.

Cheers

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:47 am

EA CO AS, I'm sorry about that. When I was replying, your message was not there, so I had been replying to the first of your messages at an earlier time and not seen your later ones because you posted them whilst I was reading the rest of the thread....if that makes sense! i.e. the messages were not there when I was replying to them

I'm was defending Hkg82 as I know him in person and it seemed like you assumed the wrong thing. But now glad to see everyone is happy and that you're not biased towards either aircraft manufacturer. I hope we can get along in these forums!  Smile

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RE: AS Eyeing Airbus Planes?

Fri Jan 10, 2003 10:00 am

"Boeing's control system still relays pilot input to the controls. The Airbus cockpit still 'translates' pilot input into action."

Since when is this a bad thing?

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