pzurita1
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Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:05 am

What happened with Southern Winds plans to fly EZE-MEX and EZE-LIM? Someone posted an information about it three months ago. Despite it also appears on the SW web site, it seems it is nothing more than a merry wish!!!!

Does any one know if this is really going to happen?

It is unbelievable there are no flight between EZE and MEX!

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rojo
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:22 am


Mexicana has two direct flights every week to Buenos Aires - EZE Airport with a stop in Cancun. MX returned service to Buenos Aires in December after stopping it for a brief period of time.

MX1691 MEX-CUN-EZE 09:55am - 12:55am (Operates Wednesdays and Saturdays)
MX1690 EZE-CUN-MEX 02:30am - 11:50am (Operates Thursdays and Sundays)

About Southern Winds flying to Mexico, I think that they should concentrate in making profitable their flights to Madrid and Miami first, specially after they had to re-register the two B767's they have because Argentina was downgraded to CATII. But lets wait and see if they start non-stop service to Mexico.

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:24 am

Yes there is, MAH4546, told me that Mexicana reinstated the MEX-CUN-EZE route twice weekly. I checked Mexicana's website and they don't even list the flight, but upon checking travelocity the flight does come up. Mexicana actually charges an arm when the competition (the South American carriers) offer very reasonable prices.

You know, the route would be better flown by AeroMexico with their 767 equipment. I don't understand, if either of them were smarter they could fill up the plane with connecting passengers from the U.S. They could take advantage of the fact that there is no service between California (where many Argy's reside) and Argentina, and funnel them through their MEX hub.

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pzurita1
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:20 am

Latin Plane:

I think AM is not offering those services you mentioned because of the same old problem: lack of equipment.

Their fleet is barely enough for their current operations. It is impossible to think in growth without increasing your fleet

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:39 am

How is Southern Winds doing on their flights to Miami and Madrid?
Last thing I heard was that they were doing prety well on the route but that was a couple of months ago.
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 5:45 am


PZurita

Yeah, what I'm saying is that AM already has the proper resources and infrastructure to support a 767 equipment, which would be better suitable to fly EZE service.

I also need to add that originally Southern Winds intended to fly to LAX via either MEX or LIM or a combination of both, but instead had to withdraw plans after Argentina got downgraded to Category ll, so maybe thats why MEX never came up.

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 5:48 am

When o when will the AM and MX executives get their heads out of their a$$es
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:35 am

As long as AM and MX are government owned, you won't see decisions taken using the head...

Additionally, I was talking with a Mexicana executive and he was telling me about Mexicana's plan to build a new hub for international flights. We started talking about it because I just flew COPA from Mexico City to Santo Domingo via Panama and it was incredible the way they handle their hub in Tocumen. He was telling me that in Mexicana they first wanted to turn Cancun into an international hub, but they couldn't for many reasons too long to detail in here, then they started with Miami and left it because of the bad results of the flight to Santo Domingo, so they really are in a lot of trouble. Some routes have are money loosers for Mexicana right now and they keep them in order to have the airplanes flying, additionally they are opening new routes to test markets in order to keep the airline in the current size. It is weird but true... hopefully Mexicana will survive this period and maybe, in the future, it will be privatized and intelligent people will open routes like Frankfurt that are cash cows instead of testing destinations with lots of competition.

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 6:36 am

Southern Winds is doing very well to MIA and MAD. MIA is averaging loads of about 70% and MAD is doing at about 85%.
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:43 am

but they couldn't for many reasons too long to detail in here
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Are there any reasons "too long to detail" regarding aviation on this website?, Rojo you can't just say this and not provide more details!.........no nos dejes picados!

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:09 am

Sorry Marcus for not providing the details of all my conversation, but it will take me some time to do it and I right now I'm full of work and have plenty of things to do (I hate when this happends)... I try to get into Airliners.net every now and then just to clear my mind, but I don't even have time to start my trip reports from my flights on COPA and American Airlines last week. Next week things will go back to normal and I will try to create a post on this issue.

By the way, does anyone have more information on the emergency landing Allegro did three days ago??? I just found this:

"CNI en Línea.- La falla técnica en la operación de la compuesta que abre el tren de nariz provocó que el avión de la empresa mexicana Allegro, con ruta Tijuana-Guadalajara, aterrizara de emergencia en una de las pistas del Aeropuerto Internacional de la Ciudad de México.

De acuerdo con el director jurídico de la empresa, Octavio Carbajal, ningún operador ni pasajero resultó lesionado, y que en ningún momento el percance causó chispas como se había manejado en las primeras versiones.

El aterrizaje concluyó sin problemas y el incidente fue reportado a la Comandancia del Aeropuerto y la autoridad de la Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil.

Además, agregó: "No se trata de un accidente, ni siquiera de un incidente, la línea de aviación civil es muy precisa en los conceptos: un accidente es cuando hay una transformación o pérdida de la aeronave con lesiones o perdidas de vida, un incidente cuando se opone en riesgo, la operación y la seguridad y afortunadamente ninguno de estos dos sucesos se dieron."

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:41 am

They are starting to LIM these days, if they didn't start it yet.
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:29 pm

Latinplane, there is service to California and it is direct, which is what many Argys are doing. Personally I think it would be dumb to go via MEX if LAN Chile offers a direct flight ( better service, comfort etc) with no plane change. Now, if it were like 100 or 200 dollars less then it would make sense.
 
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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:58 pm

It might be a dumb idea to you Lan Peru. But I beg to differ!
Technically, LAN's flight to LAX has EZE as final destination, but most airlines that offer connecting service to EZE can not only give more affordable fares between LAX and EZE, but also get you there faster than LAN's direct flight.

LAN (flight 601) takes a total of 16:20 hours, while COPA's flight via Ciudad de Panama takes 15:05 hours, even better is AA's connecting flight between MIA which only takes 14:45 hours. Even on the worst case scenario, AA's to EZE (via JFK) only takes a mere 25 minutes more than LAN's flight, which stops in LIM and SCL before completing its the journey to EZE. So what's so smart about that?

I'm speculating that if AM or MX offered same plane service between LAX and EZE via MEX (provided that they use the correct equipment) they could get a descent load factor. MEX is not the best connecting airport, as the terminal buildings were not originally planned for such use, and the infrastructure is not there to support a real international hub concept, but it is workable and the terminals are aesthetically good enough when compared to certain other airports in Latin America considred to be hubs. But tell that to whomever is in charge of running things in MEX and Cintra, who although have an ability to run things professionally, do not seem to have a vision.

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RE: Southern Winds Plans To Fly To MEX? Halted?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:14 pm

Hello Everyone!

AeroMexico's lack of equipment is because of their owners (the government)... just like Rojo said. And I think the executives either Alfonso Pasquel or Fernando Flores can't do anything about it.

Rojo
"but they couldn't for many reasons too long to detail in here"
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Please, you leave us to know one more time the reality of our country. Also I would like to think that IB also adopt to stay at MIA instead of moving on to CUN because of the same reason?

I think that there are no expansion programs with lang haul routes from AeroMexico or Mexicana since these two airlines are but focused only to the regional transportation and that only includes the continent of America.

Main problem is the government, on Dec 13th from 2002, I had the chance to fly with Mexicana. In both legs I spoke with four different 757 pilots... I was told Mexicana had plans for introducing two 767s to the fleet, in Jul 02 they started the talks... Sep 02 they request to Mex and Deutsche governments for the approval of this new possible route (MEX-HAV-FRA-MEX)... Nov 02 it was schedule that two acfts arrived so they can have them ready for Dec 02 when it was supposed to start the route to FRA. But in Oct 02 Mexico's gov. denied the new route and they told MX to hold another year.... but I guess it's going to be late... LH in March or May is adding 3 more frequencies to MEX.
Additionaly MXA had plans to get 2 more 767s for a MEX-EZE-MEX with 767 and also they wanted to keep the MEX-CUN-EZE-CUN-MEX with a 757. But plans are definitely stopped.

Second time a 767 program in Mexicana is cancelled. First program was a bit closer, in fact XA-TNS (right now with AMX) got into MXA's maintenance facilities right after arriving from TransBrasil in finals 1998. It went to MX's hangar paint... it was all white with titles only... there were waiting only for orders to pain MX tail on it... but suddenly a change of plans happened, for some reason AM return XA-RKI and then XA-TNS went to AMX's fleet., definitely a CINTRA movement.  Sad. That 767 was really nice.. a friend of mine showed me some pictures that I would like to share with you... but I doubt he would like to borrow that valuable stuff.

The only good thing is that they are planning to get another 757 for a total of 10. Replace the current 5 727s with 6 320s, they want to get a total of 30-320s.. about the 319s they got all ready 10 and they are expecting 2 more. Probably a new Airbus order of 12-318s is coming for the replace of the 12 F100s. While this 10 F100s will move to AeroCaribe. MX got plans to emerge CBE. Also CBE is looking for a new acft for regional service.... they are in search for the best option of a 50 seat capacity acft.

Changing the subjet, In my flight back to Mexico, it was a coincidence that one pilot I spoke has a brother flying the 767 in AeroMexico, he told me some aggressive plans.. increasing frequencies to some South America destinations.... and plans of a new route to Europe which is: Italy... for sure MXP or FCO. But plans are stopped since government told them to hold also.. that's why no more 767s are seen in AMX's fleet. Finally, a friend told me AM right now is focus and thinking in the new 737s only, arriving this October finally! After a loooong wait! Then in mid 2004 they will start plans for bringing more 767s... or they will start plans for the lease of the 764 from DL or the 777 from AF or any other possible option!

For now let see how goes the first months of this new year to all Mexican airlines.

LatinPlane,
I think a route to EZE from MEX should run quite well! "But tell that to whomever is in charge of running things in MEX and Cintra, who although have an ability to run things professionally, do not seem to have a vision" <----- Couldn't be better said.

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