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First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:48 pm

This is a trivia question, but someone Emailed me today to ask what company flew the first ever commercial airliner. I beleive Pan Am began with mail services between Havana and Miami or something like that... Key West perhaps. Anyway, if anyone knows, please post.

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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:56 pm

A lot of Dutchman are going to call me a liar but it was a flying boat service that flew flight between St. Petersburg and Tampa, Florida.

Oddly enough it was named the St. Petersburg-Tampa Airboat line and commenced operations with a Benoist Type XIV flying boat on January 1, 1914.

It folded with the end of tourist season that April.

KLM however I believe is the oldest continously operated airline. It just wasn't the first one.

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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:14 pm

I had not heard of the Flying boat operation of 1914 but that doesn't mean it's not true.
What is True is that KLM is the oldest airline operating today, 11 months older than Qantas. Third was I believe Sabena of Belgium followed I believe by the fore runners of Avianca Colombia.
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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:38 pm

The St Petersburg - Tampa flying boat service of 1914 is definitely the first commercial airline opeartion using aeroplanes. However, DELAG began airship operations in 1905 so that is the very first passenger service of any sort in aviation. In two years time the airline industry will be able to celebrate its 100th anniversary.
 
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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:05 pm

Is there somewhere I can read about the history of Pam Am? I really would like to know more about this airline, I'm only 20, and never got to see this airline working!
 
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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:33 pm

The flying boat operation is the oldest.

Pan Am would have followed had they still been in operation

But KLM would not be next in line...

Rather Chalk's Ocean Airways.. (Previously known as Chalk's Flying Service) started flying just before KLM and is still operating today.. Hence keeping the oldest continuously operating airline title from KLM....

Further Chalks operates from two airports that are the oldest continuous operating commercial service airports Bimini and Miami Sea Plane Base both which saw service commence in 1918.

After which KLM falls into place...

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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Mon Jan 13, 2003 12:28 am

Rupertvander82,

You can read the history of Pan Am in the book, titled "Pan Am pioneer : a manager's memoir from seaplane clippers to jumbo jets", by S.B. Kauffman (edited by George Hopkins).

I'm not sure whether Singapore National Library has this book, but the Hon Sui Sen Library in NUS does have one copy.

Or alternatively, you can go and visit www.panam.org

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RE: First Airline Ever To Operate - Pan Am?

Mon Jan 13, 2003 5:42 am

Rather Chalk's Ocean Airways.. (Previously known as Chalk's Flying Service) started flying just before KLM and is still operating today.. Hence keeping the oldest continuously operating airline title from KLM....

This is not true, despite what Chalk's promote themselves. The oldest continually operating airline *is* KLM.
Chalks would need to have something like "oldest operating aviation company" or similar. It wasn't even an airline or had legally scheduled services until 1959 when the CAB granted it carrier status. Until then, it was a air taxi service. The fact that since 1959 they have been an airline or legal air carrier, doesn't give them the right to extend that definition back over the prior 40 years ('19-'59) when they simply were not an airline at all.
A technicality maybe, but it is why they are not recognised by the greater majority as having any claim to the *airline* title. Absolutely no argument about oldest in operation aviation company. (Here again, you need to insert the "in operation" bit as some carriers were born on paper well before they took to the air, again opening a can of worms!!)
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