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Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:43 pm

Hello everyone,

the German magazine Der Spiegel indicates that there will be a joint Frequent Flyer Programme within Star Alliance.
I read this in an article about the German government considering imposing taxes on Lufthansa's FFP, Miles and More. The article states that if it comes down to it, LH will consider employing there where taxes are lowest.
Source: Der Spiegel, 13JAN03, p.67. http://www.spiegel.de

This is quite interesting to hear, but will we see this happen, one FFP for ALL the Star members? That would be another step closer to ONE big airliner wouldn't it? On the other hand, it would be cool customer service. For example, I am Star Silver with LH and with them I get to check in at the biz class counters no matter what class I fly and I also get to use LH's business lounges but with Air New Zealand for example I dont get ANY such priviliges.

So I would definitly be in favour of a joint FFP.

What does the rest of the community think? Looking forward to your opinions!

Regards,
StarFlyer
Yours truly - StarFlyer
 
gigneil
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:47 pm

I'd be beside myself with happiness. Being able to use my MP miles to upgrade longhauls not just on LH would make me a happy camper.

Especially somewhere over the North Pacific.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

US has reimplemented their upgrade system to be electronic 500 mile upgrades, so they can implement an interline upgrade agreement with UA. That's exciting as well.

N
 
airways
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:17 pm

Interesting, didn't I predict something like that some time ago?  Wink/being sarcastic

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/781816/, it's answer 2.

Michael
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TonyBurr
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 9:51 pm

This would be a great advantage for the flyer and for the airline. Star Alliance has a great product but the FF program of th individual airlines is weak. This would strengthen it and encourage more people to fly within Star Alliance. To be able to use miles for upgrades, etc within the alliance would be a strong drawing point. Right now you can use miles to upgrade only on LH from UA. It is a difficult procedure.

If you are a high FF say on UA you have limited recognition on the other Alliance partners. A common program would give overall recognition from all partners. Beig a high FF in the "Star Alliance" Program" would offer better service.

I think it is a gret marketing tool. I hope they follow through on this.
 
Admiral Ackbar
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:13 pm

For a purely selfish reason, I hope this doesn't happen. With AC Aeroplan, I can get *Gold for 35K miles, the easiest out of any program. If they join them, they will probably bump up the requirement for *Gold to 100K miles, unless they add a platinum level.
 
n175dz
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:07 pm

I'd be in favour of this, I think. It would depend if there were differences due to geography? For instance if there were differences in the *A program if you are in the US, or Europe. But, as Neil says, to have benefits across the board would be a welcome change to many FFs.

Also, Admiral Ackbar's point is also well made. Where to make the cut off between Silver & Gold etc. How to level out the benefits. I'm a *S as a UA 2P, but have done easily enough flying last year to have been a BD or AC Gold this year (boy am I mad about that!). Also a*S with BD gets lounge access, but I don't think you get that with any of the others....how to get around all of that???

Although this would be good and defeintly be a benefit for the *A, it would be an adminsitrative nightmare and also perhaps reduce the individually of the carriers schemes?

One other thing I thought of, although I hate to mention it in the current time, is that this would provide members with some kind of insurance if their preffered carrier bit the dust.....

cheers, Phil.
 
vermeer
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Tue Jan 14, 2003 11:42 pm

Admiral Ackbar',

I was unaware of the gold level of AC at 35.000!!!

Lord if I have to FLY to qualify for my LH gold.

It seems much easier also for United Mileage plus customers to reach gold.
Is there is any other airline in the *A that is stricter than LH?

I am looking forward to upgrade on other airlines as well, I think this would be the next logica step.
Why can't I fly first on ANA upgrading from C????
Insofar upgs are only allowed ( for LH) on Austrian, Tyrolean, Lauda and United.
All in all I believe they will change the cards while mantaining a structure that will different for every region ( for example facilitating Australian customers)
 
LHSTR
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:49 am

35000 miles for qualifying with AC are not as easy as it seems. While LH allows all fares, including really cheap ones, to qualify for Senator, AC does not allow all fares which makes it much harder to qualify flying cheap.
 
Admiral Ackbar
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:01 am

Lhstr,

I believe all fares accumulate miles on AC, except maybe Z (consolidator, student.etc.) fare class. I exclusively fly 'cheap' tickets to and from Europe, and that is how I accumulated 35K miles. Also, this is not AC's top tier.

The problem with Aeroplan is that domestic flights only credit 50% of miles flown. If you fly a lot within Canada, you will probably qualify on segments rather than miles.

The AC tiers are as follow (you can also qualify on segments, but I do not recall the exact numbers):

Prestige 18000 *Silver
Elite 35000 *Gold
Super Elite 100000 *Gold

All FFP's have their quirks. If you fly paid Business and First, I believe LH tosses in a whole bunch of bonus miles, even more if you are Senator. AC does not give bonuses for being a top tier member. The only status mile bonus is 125% when you fly in J.
 
Shortfinals
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:02 am

LH's FFP trumps other star alliance carriers when it comes to paid C and F. It's 200 and 300% respectively and if you're silver (FTL) or gold (senator) with them, you get another 25% per 100%. Works out to 250 and 375%. They've got minimums too, and on UA it's 1000 base miles, so even if you do one of those DEN-COS type flights in F it still counts as 3750 miles for 15 minutes of flying. All these count as status. As senator, the best part I like is the ability to overdraw your account by up to 160,000 miles. SQ's Krisflyer in this respect doesn't even come close.

I travel frequently to Australia and worked out that by flying the same route KUL-SIN-SYD-MEL-SYD-SIN-KUL in C (on SQ and UA metal), it would net me 1 free C class return award back to australia for every 4 trips paid IF i credited the miles to LH. It would take me just over 8 1/2 trips if I credited those miles to SQ. That's a no brainer. Not sure about the other FFP's within Star alliance, but these are the two that I've got and they don't really compare.

So back to the topic, I don't really know how they'd find a happy medium and apply all the rules and regulations consistently across the board. I sure hope it doesn't hurt.







 
gigneil
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:15 am

The UA bonus miles do not count toward status... so like on that DEN-COS leg you'd earn however many miles but only 1000 of them would count for your elite status.

Do they all count on LH?

N
 
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:30 am

Gigneil,

Every single one counts on LH.
 
tullamarine
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RE: Star Alliance Joint FF Programme Coming

Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:09 pm

Star are probably moving towards a joint program following what happened in Australia with the collapse of AN. When AN collapsed, Global Rewards members lost all their points and therefore lost any loyalty they may have had to other Star airlines. This was a boon for QF and Oneworld but was very costly for those Star airlines that regualrly visit Australia such as SQ, UA and NZ. Airlines such as those mentioned had to offer special deals such as immediate equivalent status and double points to try and attract disgruntled AN FFs.
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