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Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:59 am

Hi guys.

I've been spending more time reading your posts in this forum lately (90% of the time I'm in the Tech forum), and I very impressed by the info being shared and learned. I also didn't realize how fast this forum moves....holly smokes!!!

Anyways, I've noticed that there's a good handful of members from Toronto and the surrounding areas in this forum, so the following questions have a great chance at being answered.

I have a new ICOM-R2 receiver that I've been listening to for the last month and a bit.

For the life of me, I can't figure out who's using these 3 call signs when they check in with Toronto's arrival controllers. They're not airlines on the GTAA's arrival schedule.

The call signs are...."Georgian" (or Georgia), "Sky Tours", and "Air Shuttle". I've even heard "Speedbird" a few times.

Any info about what airlines are using these call signs would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris  Smile





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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:04 am

Speedbird is British Airways.

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:04 am

Sppedbird - British Airways

Air Shuttle - USAirways Express

Georgian - Air Georgian

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:09 am

Skytour is Skyservice

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:09 am

I'm not a 100% sure, but I'd take a wild guess and say that Sky Tours is the call-sign for Airtours. They fly to YYZ using 330's and sometimes 763's.
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 7:34 am

Spaceman -

You may hear ‘Candler’ arriving from Atlanta. That is ASA.

Here is a list of call signs from the FAA:
Callsigns


Ba777-236:

Airtours (UK) is 'KESTREL'

and like AC340 mentioned, 'SKYTOUR' is Skyservice.




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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:04 am


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Here is a pic of a 747 British Airways and flying over saudi arabia, and if u look closely to the caption u will read: "Wing View- From 'Speedbird 012' SIN-LHR"... I know someone already told u that speedbird is BA, but i just wanted to verify that with a picture.

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:00 am

Hi guys.

Thanks for that information.

I had a feeling that Skytour was actually Skyservice because of how many flights they have in and out of Toronto and I was never hearing the word Skyservice, but, when I did hear a pilot use the word "Skyservice" yesterday, it made me wonder what the deal was.

I'm happy to know that Air Shuttle is USAirways Express and not a small operation that's flying C-208 Caravans or King Air's, etc, around Ontario.

Speedbird as a callsign is really cool sounding for any airliner. Now I know it's for British Airways.

Georgian, however, has got me stumped.  Sad The Greater Toronto Airport Authority's (GTAA) arrival schedule doesn't have one Air Georgian flight listed, and I hear a lot of them checking in with Toronto's ATC. Can someone tell me what type of aircraft they are flying. There's no photos of this airline in A.Net's database either, but, they're out there.

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:08 am

Hey finally! I found out what the callsign georgian is for... It belongs to an Air Alliance, Beech 1900D.... The caption of the photo below reads "C-GZGA Taxying for morning takeoff rwy #17. Callsign 'Georgian'."


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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:10 am

this should clear up Georgian for you:

B1900Ds, Air Canada-ish Colors, Air Alliance on the side  Smile Georgian operates as Air Alliance out of YYZ, thats why they arent listed... depending on where you're looking they will be listed as Air Alliance, Jazz or Air Canada (Air Canada Regional/Connection sometimes even, mostly on sites that havent been updated in a while or that have been mis-translated for whatever reason...).
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:12 am

Chris Air Georgian is the tier three carrier for Air Canada, their flights operate on behalf of Air Canada. The packing order in Air Canada Mainline, the Air Canada spin offs, Air Canada Jazz, and finaly Air Georgian. They will not be listed on tht GTAA site as Air Georgian. Their aircraft fly for AC under the Air Alliance banner....
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:19 am

Heard a good one today from ramp guys. In YOW, the guys are calling SkyService....."SkyCircus".....so disorganized and lost.

 
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:39 am

OOOPs that should have read "pecking" order.  Smile

Aviationman, I think C3 still takes the SkyCircus award of the century Smile Around here we call Skyservice Sky Hoores...(No offence to roots girl of course, or any SSV employee) Just sounds like tours  Smile
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:50 am

Doesn't Georgian operate cargo flights under its own name?

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:51 am

Hi guys.

Wow, like I mentioned in my origional post....this forum is fast!!!  Big thumbs up

Thanks a lot for clearing up the callsign "Georgian" for me. Air Alliance's Beech 1900s are always flying over my home along with the rest of the gang. Now I know it's one of them when I hear the word "Georgian" over my receiver.

>NorthStarDC4M, you're correct about how the GTAA's arrival & departure schedule does not have Jazz or Air Alliance's flights listed under their own name. They are all listed under Air Canada, as you mentioned. I'll be able to differentiate between them though, because I've been making my own list of FLT numbers, and can tell when an Air Canada FLT on the GTAA's schedule is actually a Jazz (and now an Air Alliance).

Thanks to the link posted by FlyingTexan, I figured out who the heck is checking in with Toronto's ATC by using the callsign "Piedmont". It's US Airways Express's Dash-8s. I'm not sure if their ERJ-145 regional jets fly under the same callsign, but, the photo below proves that their Dash-8s do.

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:58 am

LY744 yes you are right Georgian has a couple of Cessna Caravans, and an B1900C that they use to fly mail/cargo around Ontario and the surrounding area, They also charter their a/c out from time to time when they are not being used for the Air Alliance operation. I heard last year that they may split the company in two and make the Alliance division a subsidiary, but so far that has not happened.
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:16 am

Mister Spaceman –

You are most welcome for the link. I always appreciate when other a.net users post links of interest and now that I am a user; I like to reciprocate the favor.

Some of the more unique call signs you hear in US and North American airspace are ‘Citrus’ for AirTran and ‘Jet Link’ for ExpressJet (COEX). The most recent iteration of National had the call sign ‘Red Rock.’

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:26 am

How about HP? Cactus.
 
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:42 am

I see those Georgian C208s and B1900s around here all the time (around 4-5 movements daily).


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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:07 am

Hi guys.

I find the photo above of the Cessna 208 Caravan that LY744 posted very interesting.

The paint scheme on those 208s (which I see flying into YYZ and Buttonvile Municipal Airport -YKZ), is almost identical to the livery of long gone Canadian Airlines, accept that the dark blue is on the opposite part of the fuselage (Top vs Bottom).

Even the tails of the C-208 and Canadian's airliners have the same 5 silver stripes.

Question: Did Canadian Airlines once own these C-208s, and Georgian simply kept the colour scheme?


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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:13 am

The CP-like livery is clearly no coincidence, and is visible on the vast majority of the Air Georgian a/c I see (cargo C208's and B1900's). I would imagine they were somewhat a part of the CP family, kinda like AC Jazz is to Air Canada.  Smile

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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:32 am

Hi there LY744.

Yes sir, I agree.

When you look below at the tail of the Beech 1900D, which is at Buttonville, you see it's identical to the tail of that Canadian DC-10. Even the blue paint is on the belly of the 1900D. So I believe they must have been connected.


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Now this Georgian Beech 1900D is painted in it's new Air Alliance colours (but still uses Georgian for it's callsign...as you guys taught me yesterday).


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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:49 am

Before Georgian became Air Canada's Teir three operation they operated as Ontario Regional, on behalf of Canadian. They moved over to Air Canada just before the AC/CP merger. They adopted a CP-like scheme when they were still a Canadi>n Tier three operator.
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RE: Who Uses These Call Signs At Toronto's YYZ?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:54 am

I designed that Air Alliance tail during my past career, as Air Georgian used to be under the Canadian Regional brand. But they got rebranded as Air Alliance after CP got absorbed by AC. In fact, when the rebranding took place, there was already another Air Alliance in existence (out over in Quebec/Eastern Canada), though also under the AC regional banner. However, it's all academic now.

The first a/c that I went to see that got rolled out of the paintshop had a slight problem though. The 'Air Alliance' moniker on the port side fuselage was positioned incorrectly. And I designed the stripe around the maple leaf to be green (the common misconception is that the tail surface colour on all a/c aircraft is black, but it's actually dark green), not red. I only found out about the change when we went to do some official photographs of the a/c for the ad campaign. Doesn't really matter, it still is exciting when I went to Pearson to see the planes, knowing I had a hand in their creation.

The C-208's, incidentally, are used for cargo purposes mostly now. One of the things I heard they used them for is to ferry used checks from small towns banks across Ontario back to Pearson.

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