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757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:39 am

I've been hearing conflicting statements regarding the 757-300 with certain airlines. That they are having problems with them, performance shortfalls, etc.

Can anyone shed light on whether these statements are true or not? I haven't heard anything recently, so I was just curious.

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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:56 am

I talked to a Northwest worker at DTW who said that the 753s could only reach 29,000 ft or something like that.

Another problem was that they couldn't fit the galley carts through some of the doors.
 
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 9:36 am

Well, considering that the NW 753 I was on last sunday climbed directly to and cruised along at 33,000ft according to the pilot, I don't think they have problems reaching cruise altitudes over 29,000 ft.

Other than starting to board about 5 minuites earlier, I didn't notice any differences between the 753 and the 752.
 
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:11 am

I'd be hesitant to believe the problem about the galley carts fitting through the doors. They are the same doors that are on the 752.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:28 am

They are a cash cow for Continental

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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:31 am

Is there really that much difference between the 752 and the 753, or is it just about the same as u guys said above?
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:34 am

I can't speak for the other airlines since they don't have the PW's, but man let me tell you that plane is a rocket!

Not only that's it's very. very quiet! The aisles seem narrower to me, but that also might be an optical illusion. Other than that I think the plane is fantastic personally.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:39 am

I haven't heard of any complaints of the 757-300's flying for ATA. ATA's 300's are configured for 247 seats and many of the flights they operating have been packed to the gills.

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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:52 am

ATA's seem to be great performers. They fly 2,000+nm trips with descent loads and take off from short runways (OGG, MDW). The only complaints I've heard are from NOrthwest regarding the Pratts.
 
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:56 am

What has been the problem with the P&W's?
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:54 am

Boeing 757-300 is a great a/c & I think it will find new operators soon .

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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:27 am

I was on TZ640 on New Year's day. For some reason it was downgraded to a very packed 757-200. Anyone know why?
 
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:37 am

The RUMOUR is that PW-powered 753s don't have sufficient bleed-air to maintain cabin pressure. This has nothing to do with the aircraft itself, rather the engines. PW-powered 753s are rare (NW only?) and there are rumours ranging from NW returning all 753s to the entire story being a fabrication.

Certainly RR-powered 753s don't suffer from this problem, if one exists. NW is still flying 753s so there is deffinatly no BIG problem, and it'll be interesting to see if Pratt upgrade the PWs.

The 753 seems to be performing well at other airlines. It SHOULD have an incrediably low seat mile cost.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:27 am

Boeing nut-

C'mon, you know better than to believe the latest "rumor-du-jour" from the anti-Boeing crowd!  Big grin

It seems that lately they love to pick on any new Boeing products. Do a search and you'll see all sorts of "rumors from sources" who say the (insert Boeing product here) is a dog, doesn't hit the numbers the company promised, etc.

The most popular one to pick on has been the 764, with the 739 and 753 pretty far behind.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:31 am

I've only flown the 753 twice but I can assure you it has no performance problems whatsoever with the RB211 and it's an unbeatable low cost performer
on the routes CAL use it on

FL350/370 is usually not a problem, the only problem is we don't have more of them yet, anyone have info on Continental's options?
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:17 am

When the industry stabalizes and starts seeing profits again (not for another year or two) I think AA and DL might be in the market for 757-300s.

DL could use them effectively against the LCCs, and to possibly replace older domestic 767-200s flying out of ATL.

AA might be in the market for both the 757-300 and 767-400 for their Latin and Caribean routes as a replacement for the A-300s.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:45 pm

DL's another character that might be interested in PW-powered 753s as well  Sad
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:26 pm

The only downside to the 757-300 is that even when the economic environment for airlines improve there isn't going to be much interest due to the fact the 753--being a single-aisle plane--will take too long to load and unload passengers even with dual-jetwalk gates. Small wonder why LH wasn't too interested in using them as A310 replacements, either.
 
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:28 pm

CO has four 753's in service and eleven more on order (currently deferred until Gordon knows when.... ). CO's turn time for these 'flying bowling alleys' is 65 minutes ... Compared to 55 for the 752.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:09 pm

I bet CO could get those turn times down to 45 and 50, respectively. Their people are the best.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:10 pm

That's 45 for the 752 and 50 for the 753, I mean.  Smile

And speaking of 753 orders, CO seriously needs at least 20 total in the fleet.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:11 pm

I agree that AA, DL & UA will show interest in the 753 (and AA/UA the 764) once their finances improve in 2-3 years.

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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Fri Jan 17, 2003 3:39 pm

I agree that AA, DL & UA will show interest in the 753 (and AA/UA the 764) once their finances improve in 2-3 years.

The 753, probably... the 764 may run into difficulty should Boeing give the go-ahead to its new "super efficient" model.
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RE: 757-300 Shortfalls - Fact Or Fiction?

Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:29 am

CO is taking delivery of another (for a total of five) 757-300 next quarter.
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