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Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:42 am

For those of you who don't know, Jungle Jets is a term used for Embraer regional jets.  Smile

Continental's 2 CLE-DEN flights are going to Continental Express in Fall and will be operated on the new Embraer ERJ-145XRs.

Either Continental is really continueing to turn CLE into a CO Express hub, or they haven't been doing too well on the CLE-DEN route.

If the latter, it's probably because of United's 2 flights. Competition hurts.  Big grin

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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:52 am

Therein lies the fear of the ERJ XR's and CLE-- that rather than using them to expand the markets they serve, they continue to dowsize their operations at CLE by getting rid of more and more mainline (first MIA, now DEN), who knows what's next.
 
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:05 am

Yeah, sadly that seems to be the case for CLE.

And it's a bit of a shock. Many times, Continental subs in a larger 737 (such as a 737-300 and even as large as the 737-800) on the CLE-DEN flight because of high loads.

Oh well......

I guess they feel the costs of stationing extra 737s there isn't worth it when they can be better utilized in EWR or IAH.

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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:15 pm

It seems as though all of CoEx's new routes are getting 145XRs. At what rate are they receiving the XRs?
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:16 pm

What is the exact range of this new ERJ? Anybody know? I'd expect CLE-MSY to go to 2 or 3 ERJ's one day...one 737-500 doesn't exactly offer the great convenience for passengers in the market.


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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:45 pm

CO uses the ERJ-145 on the EWR-Omaha and EWR-Des Moines routes too.....
 
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:48 pm

I'd expect CLE-MSY to go to 2 or 3 ERJ's one day...one 737-500 doesn't exactly offer the great convenience for passengers in the market.

You're a little late on that... they've already announced it  Sad
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:22 pm

The -145XR is supposed to have a 2000nm range.

I just dug this back up and posted it on another thread. Its a map from a presentation about new routes for CoEx. It shows the range that aircraft will provide ExpressJet. Looks like that DEN-CLE route could be on it.
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:34 pm

Fsuwxman,

They are receiving 48 of the 145XRs in 2003.
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 4:26 pm

Not bad. Something new to photograph...
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:39 pm

ConcordeBoy, CLE-MSY was indeed showing a 2X a day frequency with ERJ CLE-MSY beginning in the spring, but in the last two weeks or so, the availability has been switched back to one daily 735. I imagine the change was to accomodate the CLE-AUS or the CLE-SAT flights, but MSY, for now, remains a 735.
 
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:48 pm

Does anyone know how many ERJ-145s Continental Express has in its fleet?
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:38 am

"Does anyone know how many ERJ-145s Continental Express has in its fleet?"

236, with plenty more on the way.

http://www.continental.com/company/investor/docs/continental_8k_2002_101701.pdf#fleet
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:40 am

FlagshipAZ,

I think the numbers as of 12/31 look like this (give or take 1 or 2)
140 ERJ-145LRs currently in the fleet
18 ERJ-145XRs currently in the fleet
48 ERJ-145XRs to arrive in 2003

I haven't been keeping up so I'm not sure how the firm orders and options look beyond 2003. But I understand that there are a total of 104 firm orders for the XR and 100 options. So that would be another 38 XRs to arrive after 2003.
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:47 am

STT757, posting the same info just minutes apart is always such fun.  Smile

The 236 figure includes 30 ERJ-135s.
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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sat Jan 18, 2003 4:35 am

I'll be flying on one tomorrow, from RIC to IAH. That flight is scheduled at 3 hours and 24 minutes! I'm not looking forward to that. I flew on a 145 on American Eagle from ORD to RIC, and I didn't like it at all. It looks very strange with overhead bins on only one side. I much prefer to fly on mainline aircraft. I hate to see it going to RJs on such long flights.

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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sat Jan 18, 2003 5:13 am

I know that one of CO's EWR-MHT-EWR routes is now an ERJ-145XR (the early afternoon flight). As for CLE becoming an RJ hub, I wouldn't be surprised, as several airlines are doing/have done this: DL (DFW), AA (STL to an extent), UA (IAD to an extent).

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RE: Continental CLE-DEN Going To Jungle Jets

Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:08 am

Currently, the COEX fleet consists of 190 ERJ's. 30 ERJ-135's (37 seats) and the rest are a mix of ERJ-145 ER's/LR's/XR's. We are taking about 4 XR's each month for 2003. The CLE-MSY run I don't think will require a XR as the LR has enough range for this flight. The 737's in CLE are not fading away completely. At year end 2003, CAL will have about 9 less aircraft in the fleet by parking some MD-80's and 737-300/500's that are comming up on leases. This is a flexible fleet plan that also calls for deliveries of new aircraft in the 4th quarter 2003. The plan as of now calls for about 9 to be gone by the end of the year however the aircraft currently flying will be flying more block hours per day thus negating any pilot/flight attandent furloughes. If things in the industry change for the better, CAL can retain the aircraft, pull some from storage quickly and take the scheduled deliveries and recall from Express quickly to meet demand. I think you will see a small increase in flying on the 737, MD-80 out of IAH as the late night bank of flights is introduced again this Spring. The ERJ's taking more CLE flying relieves these aircraft of light duty to take on more heavy routes. The introduction of the ERJ to DEN also puts into place some ERJ infastructure and training for ground staff should that airplane start to operate out of DEN to other destinations if the opportunity presents itself. Overall, Continental will offer more seats to more cities in 2003 then ever before, however almost all new service domestically and to Mexico will be on the ERJ's.

The realistic range for the ERJ-145/XR is around 1500 NM. That's fully loaded with fuel to make an alternate and have 45 minutes IFR reserves at the alternate.

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