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Hawaiian Air And The L1011, MD80, DC9-51, AA

Sun Jan 19, 2003 6:21 am

I have some questions about Hawaiian Air, an airline I flew on several times from 1985 forward:

L1011:

1) I know theat they rec'd L1011's from ANA in 1985. How many did they get and how old were they when purchased.
2) did they augment their fleet with more from the used market?
3) I have an old "wooster" model of an L1011-500 in a Hawaiian Air livery; from what I know they never operated the 500 variant; or did they??

DC-9-51/MD80:

Hawaiian operated the DC-9-51 until the inception of the fabulous 717-200.

1) were they purchased new or used?
2) how many did they have?
3) were any operated as "combi"?
4) when I lived in California, as I said, I recall seeing a a PSA MD-80 with PSA and Hawaiian titles and then later seeing it again on the big Island. I beleive there were some short term leases between the two; am I correct.

In the 90's Hawaiian and American had some sort of agreement (including the demise of the L1011's:

1) were the L1011's scrapped or sold?
2) what was the agreement about; I know it included some a transfer of DC-10's (including the oldest one flying at the time)
3) is this agreement still in effect? and does this involve 767-300's that Hawaiian operates now?

thanks!



 
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RE: Hawaiian Air And The L1011, MD80, DC9-51, AA

Sun Jan 19, 2003 11:58 am

I don't know much about the L-1011's but they were all leased and were replaced by the AA DC-10's in 1994. I don't think any -500's were operated by HA.

There are pictures of EI-BTN in MHV.


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A few were operated by Rich International.


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And a couple by Air OPS


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HA entered into a marketing and service agreement with AMR in 1993. It included switching over to SABRE, participation in AAdvantage, and the leasing of AA's DC-10's with maintenance provided by American. This agreement is basically over with the DC-10's being replaced by 767's. HA now contracts with DL for 767 maintenance.

The MD-80's used by HA were around for a short while. They ended up being too big and expensive for the interisland operations and ended up leaving the fleet in favor of the DC-9-51. If you remember the CO MD-80 that ran into the terminal at EWR, that was an ex-HA aircraft.

Most of HA's DC-9-51's were purchased new and a few were used. HA ended up operating a fleet of 15 DC-9-51's when it was decided to replace them with the 717. None were combi's. N669HA is currently the world record holder for cycles by a DC-9-50 with 95,132 cycles over 23 years.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Air And The L1011, MD80, DC9-51, AA

Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:24 pm

Ha763

thanks for the info (sorry I'm so late to aknowledge..)

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