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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:56 am

Unacceptable. 100%

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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:06 am

Packing Heat, got to love that expression. I guess the only thing you can say is he was stupid for doing that.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:30 am

Pilot arrested after gun found in bag
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 Posted: 1:39 PM EST (1839 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Authorities arrested a Northwest Airlines pilot Tuesday after authorities found a gun in his bag at LaGuardia Airport, the Queens, New York, district attorney's office said.

The pilot was identified as Robert Donaldson, 43. Law enforcement sources said he was carrying a 9mm handgun. It was discovered during a routine security screening at about 5:45 a.m. EST.

Donaldson was scheduled to fly Flight 1191, a Boeing 757, to Detroit, Michigan, at 6 a.m. The flight was canceled.

The Transportation Security Administration made the discovery and notified the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey police, authority spokesman Tony Ciavolella said.

Donaldson was being held pending arraignment later Tuesday on a charge of criminal possession of a loaded gun, the district attorney's office said.


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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:52 am

Pilots should carry guns aboard their aircraft. I don't see the problem.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:12 am

Pilots should not carry guns with them if it is illegal to do so. There is a serious problem if this pilot went out of his way to carry an illegal weapon with him on a flight. It would be a different story if pilots were legislated to carry guns on board, were trained to do so and set procedures were in place.

I really see a big problem with this.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:32 am

Nobody but specially trained operatives should carry guns on flights. A single mis-shot and the cabin explosively decompresses and possibly kills everyone.

Guns on planes is a bad idea in general. The tazer idea is much more sane, which is why UA carried forward with it.

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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:45 am

How could a pilot expect to get past the TSA with a gun? It'll be interesting to see how this case plays out.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:12 am

He was carrying a gun because he was heading to Detroit.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:20 am

This guy may be mentally unstable or he may have been set up. I guess it could be possible to slip a firearm in a crew members bag when they are not looking. I cannot imagine that a pilot could ever expect to get a firearm through security.

And the rules of NYC are rough on unregistered guns. Although they may defer to the federal charges.

And I think this guy must have flown into LGA since NWA doesn't have a pilot base in NY (last I checked). So did he have it when he flew in or what?
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:22 am

HlywdCatft. ROFLMAO, Maybe that is the reason. Or maybe he was like Auburn Calloway (Read about Federal Express Flight 705). Auburn Calloway was a FEDEX pilot, and his professional and personal life sucked, so he decided to end it with an insane act. He wanted it to look like an accident. But due to the crew's bravery, Auburn Calloway is in jail.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:26 am

>>>He was carrying a gun because he was heading to Detroit.

Either that, or he was packing in the event he came across any NWA MX guys trying to taxi his aircraft to the gate...

(Just kiddin, this kinda stuff happens everywhere...)  Big grin
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:47 am

Actually I think he will get off.

Think about it: He has been flying all this time without a problem. Then the day after its said that pilots will carry guns, he brings one to work.


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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:57 am

"Maybe that is the reason. Or maybe he was like Auburn Calloway (Read about Federal Express Flight 705)"

at least he didn't have a damn spear gun like that clown auburn calloway
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 10:55 am

True. But all that guy had to do is bring a gun on board, 30,000 feet up, shoot the co-pilot, and then kill himself. It is that simple. That is why guns should not be allowed on the aircraft... PERIOD!!!.

Too many suicidal guys out there. I just don't want this to happen, and if guns are allowed in the cockpit, it will be a matter of time before this happens. Forgive me if I sound pessimistic, but I am also thinking realistic.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 11:09 am

It is a pilot's job to fly the plane. I don't want a hero pilot coming into the cabin and having a shootout with some nut with a gun. Cops need guns, but unfortunately cops don't always win, even if they are armed. Same thing will happen with pilots, they wont always win. Let the pilots fly the plane and let the defence issue be dealt with in a more intelligent manner.
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:16 pm

Being a "pilot" does not exempt him from the law. He should go to prison. And he should go for at least as long as a passenger who got caught doing the same thing would be expected to go to prison for. In fact, being in the position he is in, he should probably be held to a higher standard. The fact that he knew better means the punishment ought to be more severe. Lock him up and make an example of him. Guns and pilots are a BAD idea.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:25 pm

Without getting into the "guns versus no guns" debate and thread creep, it should be noted that Congress enacted legislation that enabled airline crews to carry weapons. That said, other things like airline-specific training courses and FAA approval have to occur before it's officially legal for crews to be armed. I don't know whether this fellow wasn't aware of the other stuff that had to occur (however slowly), or just got tired of waiting for it to occur, but I'm sure ALPA will jump in to his defense...
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:47 pm

ALPA is required by Federal Law to represent its members, but only with the company. ALPA can't jump to his defense in a criminal court. And BTW ALPA has never strongly endorsed firearms in the cockpit. That battle was fought by other organizations including APA.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:07 pm

There are those who have and those who...no, that's not it.

There but for the grace...no, that's not it, either.

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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:52 pm

Wow... I cannot for the life of me figure out a good reason for doing what he did. What an idiot!
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:21 pm

Gigneil, a bullet hole or three wouldn't explosively decompress an aircraft, even at 31,000 ft. They already vent air because in order to keep the pressure stable, the compressors actually create more pressure than needed, and vents dump the excess (of course, it's not very much excess) back into the atmosphere. You might feel a slight pressure change, but it wouldn't be a severe problem at all.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:28 pm

Pilots carrying guns is insanity, pure and simple. Terrorists wouldn't need a weapon any more - they'd just have to get hold of the pilot's gun. Add to that the risk of accidents when you have guns on planes, much the same as the risk of accidents elsewhere. Statistically, if you have a gun in your home you are more likely to be injured, not less likely. The gun offers no real protection, and the same will hold true in the air.
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:36 pm

My question is, regardless of how dumb his actions were, How did he get the gun to LGA in the first place. From what i have heard the gun was registered in MI and he had a permit to carry concelled in MI. Therefore, somehow he got the gun to LGA. He would have had to gone through security at DTW. THey should of caught it. It should have never gotten as far as LGA. So what does this really mean. I think it shows how flawed any security system is. No matter what you do to stop it, as long as people (Humans) are doing the security then the system will have its breakdowns, though computers may have just as many failures. Just my thoughts though. Regards, MSY-MSP
 
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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:57 pm

Lets say this bullet hole shot out a window... or there were 3 or 4 shots fired close to each other.

This wouldn't cause a serious problem?

I guess I've seen too many movies.

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RE: NW 757 Pilot Packing Heat, Arrested

Wed Jan 22, 2003 6:36 pm

True. But all that guy had to do is bring a gun on board, 30,000 feet up, shoot the co-pilot, and then kill himself. It is that simple. That is why guns should not be allowed on the aircraft.

A pilot doesn't need a gun to commit suicide in the cockpit,when the other pilot leaves the cockpit just lock the door and dive to the ground.Or cut both of the engine start levers at 1000 feet after take off.

Too many suicidal guys out there. I just don't want this to happen, and if guns are allowed in the cockpit, it will be a matter of time before this happens. Forgive me if I sound pessimistic, but I am also thinking realistic

Who needs terrorist if there are "too many suicidal pilots" Yeah sure in the USA,

Being a "pilot" does not exempt him from the law. He should go to prison. And he should go for at least as long as a passenger who got caught doing the same thing would be expected to go to prison for.

I don't think there are some laws that allows less punishment than the others only because he is a pilot but we should wait until the court decides wheather he can take part in the next episode of the "America's dumbest criminals" or he is just a victim of a set up or something.
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