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Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:19 pm

I don't know what it is but a plane has apparently crashed near the top of the McDowell Mt.s near Scottsdale Airpark. I wonder if it was someone flying from the Phoenix Open not familiar with the area. I can see a sizable area burning from home here in Gilbert.
Certainly a sobering end to a big weekend here in any case...

jb
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:36 pm

Yup, I'm watching it from my balcony as we speak.

The mountain that the aircraft hit is about 2 blocks from my house and it's clearly visible watching the fire from the balcony.

Very sad sight.

Doug Taylor
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:44 pm

I just came on here to post about this aswell. I just hope it wasnt a PGA player leaving the Phoenix Open. After Payne Stewarts Lear crash, this would be a big blow to the players.

Watching coverage on FOX 10.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:48 pm

I cant imagine it being much smaller than a Baron or Twin Cessna since the witnesses all claim to see a mushroom cloud. I doubt a Cessna 172 or Piper Warrior could produce such a large explosion, if their accounts are correct. Im guessing a large twin. (Purely speculation)

Has anyone heard anything that leans towards a jet aircraft? I have only heard witness lean towards a small prop.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:55 pm

Nah, it's pitch black out here and there's no way there was a visible mushroom cloud.

Perhaps a fireball I guess. I'm watching it thru my telescope on the balcony as we speak. I knew that thing would come in handy one day for something.

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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:00 pm

Anyone got a link? I just looked up your TV stations and there's nothing about it.

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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:07 pm

Channels 3 and 15 have choppers over the scene giving live feed, channel 10 never had their AS350 over it, and it never seems like they ever have it flying anyway. Channel 5 will come on in about 5 minutes.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:09 pm

Redngold: AZFamily.com gives you KTVK channel 3s site.

 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:13 pm

You know, you'd think someone from Scottsdale ATC would be able to give definate info regarding the aircraft (destination, origin, type) to the news stations.

They could get rid of 98% of the speculation if ATC would release some info.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:15 pm

Up, up and away!
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:16 pm

Looks to be a prop, according to one reletively clueless witness. 2 fatalities confirmed by the Sheriff's office/Rural Metro.
Condolences for the familys of the victims.
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:18 pm

No sound on this computer, but I wonder if the ATC or police scanner here would have info...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/scanner.html
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:21 pm

I listen to that scanner often, 4holer. It cycles through Sky Harbor clearance, ground, and tower. So probably wouldnt have had many clues broadcast on it. The police part though may be interesting. But I cant listen to it right now because I have such a crappy connection that I cant do anything else online if Im listening to it.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 2:32 pm

I do not understand this at all. The "investigators" at the scene have absolutely no info on this plane. This plane crashed just about 8:10 pm which means that ATC should have been working. A simple phone call to the controllers working a couple hours ago would reveal tons of info on this plane, would it not?

Deer Valley ATC goes down at 9pm, so I assume Scottsdales is on just as long if not longer. Why cant they figure anything out about this plane?
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:27 pm

KTVK-3TV, which covered the crash really well, has a RealVideo clip on its website:

http://www.azfamily.com
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 3:54 pm

I was driving down the Loop 101 tonight, heading home from a friend's Super Bowl party out on the west side of town.

As our car got to the area of Desert Ridge (56th Street and the 101), I noticed a big yellow-orange light on top of the McDowell Mountain Range. I kept my eye on it as we drove closer, unsure of what it was.

Upon getting closer to the area, right near the TPC, you could easily tell there was a large fire on the side of the mountain, with at least two helicopters overhead providing floodlights.

I could still see the flames from my home in Scottsdale Ranch, near 100th and Via Linda. Early news reports suggested the plane was a Bonanza, although they've backed off from that statement and are now referring to it solely as a "small, single-engine aircraft."

According to the Scottsdale Police Department, the Rural/Metro Fire Department had someone up at the crash scene almost immediately, who recovered "various documents" from the site and verified two fatalities on the mountainside.
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Mon Jan 27, 2003 6:08 pm

Any news yet about which airplane crashed there?

My condolences to the families....
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:51 am

According to this article...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0127planecrash27.html

a Piper PA60 Aerostar. No name or reg yet.

Through 10x50 binoculars from where I work in Scottsdale Airpark, there isn't much to see other than a burned area VERY close to the top of the mountain. A little more altitude, or a little left or right, they make it through. Sadly, not much left up there...

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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:29 am

like I said, not much left...
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:39 pm

For those people who were watching on ch. 3 in the Phoenix area, did you hear a guy by the nameof Michael Hamann on it? He's a good friend of mine and told mebout it and also told me that he had a live telephone interview with that news station at Scottsdale, AZ where he lives.

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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Tue Jan 28, 2003 3:05 pm

I know of him (mike). I heard his conversation with 3TV. He goes the the high school i went to.

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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Thu Jan 30, 2003 9:10 am

Quick, and final, update. The aircraft that crashed (according to NTSB/FAA) was Piper Aerostar N3636Q. A quick search on good returned this site: http://www.aerostarjet.com/news3.html

The 2 photos of an aerostar on the right side of the page apperantly show N3636Q.

Aircraft was on an IFR flight plan from California to New Mexico when it stopped for fuel in Scottsdale. Took off north from Scottsdale and slammed into the Mcdowell Mtns.

I guess we can put this one to rest now.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:10 pm

Doug. Pilot? Telescope? Balcony? Do you overlook the pool? LOL.
 
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RE: Plane Crash Near Scottsdale Airport

Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:59 pm

My oh my. Just to clairify a trivial matter, after looking at my last post I typed "A quick search on good returned this site". That makes no sense. I meant to type google instead of good. I feel I must clairify that for the people who read that and said to themselves "WTF is a search on good?".

Im am sorry  Smile

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