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Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:23 am

Which US non-hub airports have the most international service (not number of flights but number of airlines)?

Let's see:

BOS:
AF
BA
EI
LX
VS
LH
AZ
AC
BW
AA
NW
DL

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:27 am

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that BOS is a DL hub.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:53 am

BOS is a CO hub

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:57 am

BOS is definitely not a CO hub. CO's hubs are IAH, CLE and EWR.
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:57 am

I have a DL timetable and all hubs are shown in capital letters on the route map, BOS is one of them.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:59 am

BOS is probably a Delta Shuttle hub but not "Delta", the mainline carrier
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:02 am

There's not that much domestic service at BOS. There's BizElite flights to SFO, LAX, and SAN, service to the hubs, and the Shuttle, as well as Connection flights.

But since you can get the DL Connection flights and go on to the hubs, West Coast, and I guess still Europe, I s'pose it counts.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:04 am

What about LAX, it used to be hubs for some airlines, but not sure anymore
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:07 am

Kanebear: thanks for correcting me.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:12 am

Yep, I think LAX has got to be the winner. No airline can claim it as a hub, although several carriers (UA, AA, DL) claim high levels of activity there.

I don't think you can consider BOS a hub for DL, although that might change in the future. DL has the most flights into boston, but I don't really think much "connecting" travel occurs there. Delta has committed to developing their presence in BOS in the future, once their new terminal is completed.

 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:20 am

I thought LAX was a United hub? Not just claiming 2 be one but an actual one?
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:25 am

MB,
Yep you said what I was thinking, just did not feel like typing much  Smile...Anyways, was LAX ever a hub for Western?? And I was just looking at the LAX website..Had NO idea there were that many Internationals
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:26 am

SFO is or was a hub I think, but don't think LAX
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:32 am

Boston and LAX are both hubs for American Airlines.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:42 am

Hubs for an airline are airports that have a significant amount of cross connecting traffic and banks of flights. Having a significant number of flights does not qualify an airport as a hub. BOS and LAX do not meet this qualification for AA, and neither does BOS for DL. LAX is not a hub for any airline.
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:42 am

Unless American changed recently, these were the listed hubs:
Hubs: Dallas/Fort Worth, DFW; Chicago, ORD; Miami
Callsign: "American"

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:44 am

Of the non-hub and non-international gateway cities (i.e. LAX, JFK, BOS, MCO), my guess for the U.S. cities with the most scheduled international service would be Tampa and Sacramento, both of which have service to Canada and Mexico. However, Raleigh-Durham does have international service to London via American Airlines. I don't know if AA considers RDU a hub, but the airlines does have quite a large operation at the airport.
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 6:45 am

LAX is a hub for United. BOS is a hub for no one.

Also, Delta no longer offers trans-con service out of BOS. That ended last September.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:01 am

Spoke too soon...my mistake, LAX and BOS are not hubs according to AA. However, AA sure does have large operations at both those stations...
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:02 am

Well, after this nice little discussion on what a hub is, any more thoughts on the question at hand?
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:10 am

I still vote for LAX
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:31 am

LAX is out. It is a United hub.

From United's investor information:
UAL Corporation is the holding company for United Airlines, the second largest air carrier in the world. With hubs in Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington, D.C., and key international gateways in Tokyo, London, Frankfurt, Miami and Toronto, United flies to 117 destinations in 26 countries.

http://www.ual.com/page/framedpage/0,1449,1382,00.html
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:16 am

What about USAirways at BOS? There seem to be a lot of them there.

What about Anchorage? Are they really a hub for Alaska Air? I haven't seen a lot of Alaska Air planes in pics at Anchorage. I know they get a lot of international stopovers.

I almost said Honolulu then realized Hawiian Air.

MCO is another that comes to mind with exception of their Delta Express operations. They have a decent amount of international service...

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 8:18 am

ANC is definitely an AS hub - all the outlying Alaskan cities connect in ANC before heading anywhere else.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:31 am

BOS is neither a hub for Continental or Delta. The hub airports are:

American (ORD, DFW, MIA, STL, SJU)
United (ORD, IAD, SFO, LAX, DEN)
Delta (ATL, CVG, DFW, SLC)
Northwest (MSP, DTW, MEM)
Continental (IAH, EWR, CLE)
US Airways (CLT, PIT, PHL)
Southwest (no hubs...focus cities are MDW, PHX, OAK, BNA, PVD, DAL)
America West (PHX, LAS, CMH)
Alaska Airlines/Horizon Air (SEA)
Midwest Express (MKE)

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:36 am

Southwest obviously operates a focus city at BWI as well, and Alaska without question has a hub at ANC.

Delta also clearly operates a hub at JFK.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 10:42 am

There's a book called the Big 6 Airlines and I am quite sure they put BOS as a USAirways Hub
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:19 am

You guys are confusing the definition of the word "hub" with the definition of "fortress hub".

By TECHNICAL DEFINITION, DL does operate a hub system at BOS/JFK and UA also does at LAX. However, neither of those airports are fortress hubs for either carrier, they do not have the ability to sway the market much at all due to mass competition, and it will probably always be that way for both.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:42 am

Of the non-hub and non-international gateway cities (i.e. LAX, JFK, BOS, MCO), my guess for the U.S. cities with the most scheduled international service would be Tampa and Sacramento, both of which have service to Canada and Mexico.

Tampa has no service to Mexico and Sacramento has no service to Canada. Tampa does have service to London, Nassau, and Grand Cayman, in addition to Toronto and Montreal.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 12:45 pm

Seatle

Northwest Airlines - Tokyo, Osaka, Amsterdam
United Airlines - Tokyo
Alaska Airlines - Canada and Mexico
Horizon Air - Canada
EVA Airways - Taipei
Asiana Airlines - Seoul
Air Canada - Toronto
SAS- Copenhagen
British Airways - London (Heathrow)

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:06 pm

Yes, but. SEA is an Alaska hub, arguably the more important one.

Heh this is a hard topic - most airports with substantial international service are usually hubs of some kind for someone.

I think MCO probably wins so far, in my view.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Tue Jan 28, 2003 11:39 pm

Boston is definelty not a hub for US Airways. They may have a lot of flights to boston, from PIT, PHL and CLT and of course the hourly shuttle flights from LGA and DCA but it isnt a US hub. US Airways hubs up to date are PIT, PHL and CLT. I work with US AIrways by the way.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 12:16 am

Jury is still out! I stick with BOS.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 5:32 am

Hi!
I think that BOS is more of a commuter hub for the commuter airlines, as is LGA and some other destinations. Commuter Hubs aren't neccessarily bigger airline's hubs.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:09 am

This topic is confusing.

Which US non-hub airports have the most international service (not number of flights but number of airlines)?

If it is the number of airlines that fly to international destinations, what difference does it make if the airport is a "hub" or not for one particular airline?

Just count the number of airlines that offer international service from a particular airport. I fail to see how JetBlue's hub at JFK makes any difference when talking about airports with a lot of international service.

Just IMHO.

(In terms of the number of airlines offering int'l service, I'd vote for JFK or LAX, with MIA coming in not too far behind).
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:11 am

Definatly BOS. There are alot of airlines with large operations there- AA and US for instance- but nobody has a hub. MCO has quite a bit too but not as much as BOS.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 8:41 am

I think MCO probably wins so far, in my view

MCO? Are you kidding me? They do not have that much international service. More than average, and some rarer destinations, like PTY, but often with little frequency. Selection is very limited compared to BOS, LAX, and not much better than SEA.
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:01 am

**MCO? Are you kidding me? They do not have that much international service. More than average, and some rarer destinations, like PTY, but often with little frequency. Selection is very limited compared to BOS, LAX, and not much better than SEA. **

Except all of those cities that you named can be considered hubs.

We have already established LAX and SEA are hubs for sure,
BOS we are still debating if it is defined as a hub
 
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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:59 am

Turn it around and ask which US hub has the LEAST amount of international service?

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:04 am

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:46 am

STL and CLE may be the winners - but in terms of hub size vs international operations, its probably DEN.

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RE: Non-hub US Airports With Most Intn'al Service

Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:49 am

GIGNEIL,

JFK is not a hub for Delta. Delta has about 60-70 flights a day out of JFK and it is a primary gateway to Europe, but very little traffic at JFK for DL is true connecting traffic. The JFK operation is heavily O&D dependent.

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