Tom in NO
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Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 3:16 am

The State of Arizona is initating an update to a study done in 1999 regarding service to some of it's rural airports: Bullhead City, Flagstaff, YUM, Sierra Vista, Kingman, etc.

http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/msg24936.html

Anyone have any comments on the study, additional service required. Obviously, America West Express dominates the intra-Arizona industry, who else is in there?

Tom in NO (at MSY)

BTW, I was offered an interview at AZ DOT a few years back. Didn't take it, though, money wasn't the greatest.
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RE: Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:34 am

TOM -

I was surprised to see Bullhead City - a rural place? Laughlin nearby? I assume you are referring to IFP?

Or is just a gambling destination. (Note SY)


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RE: Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 5:42 am

Yeah....with IFP being a SY hub....underserved?
Actually does anyone fly there besides SY. I would think AWX could put a CRJ to LAS and one to PHX in there each day and it would do good.
 
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RE: Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:02 am

i currently live in prescott, az, a town about 100 miles nnw of phoenix up in the mountains. rural areas of az are in need of air service that is affordable. sept 11 really did hurt rural az. our town with a pop of 75000-100,000 had 4-6 1900D flights a day to PHX on America West Express, now that is down to 2. other cities have been hurting as well. service to sierra vista was just discontinued, service to bullhead city and gallup, n.m also discontinued. flights around here cannot efficiently support a 30 seater, but fares for a 19 seater are too expensive. america west has made every mention that they want to end 19 seat service out of phx to mesa, but smaller communities cannot support the dash 8. in addition, most people in our town don't even know that there is an airport, much less air service to save the 2 hour drive down to phoenix. now after the clt crash of a 1900D, i am sure the 19 seaters will be gone soon. many also dont know that for an airport to receive service with more than a 19pax aircraft, it must meet certain security, safety, and fire restrictions. most az airports don't meet this reg, and thus, lose service. our prc route out of phx is an eas subsidy so that igm recieves service. igm though doesn't meet the regs for the dash 8 to land there. right about sept 11, a smaller airline out west named sunrise airlines flying J31 tried to take over most of the smaller az communities, but with sept 11, they folded. on a side note, just an hour ago, i booked with america west a ticket to st. louis next weekend for a fraternity conference, and the fare out of phx was 338, but out of prc was only 299, so i booked prc to save the two hour drive each way, plus 2 more segments on america west and another 1000 frequent flier miles. every once in a while, we found fares cheaper out of our town than phx, even though all flights connect in phx
 
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RE: Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:12 am

Bullhead City is mentioned in the quoted article, so I would assume they are talking about IFP.

I couldn't be positive about the makeup of the visitors to that area, but I'm assuming that most of the "snowbirds" (winter visitors) to the Arizona portion of the Colorado River area (including Yuma, Lake Havasu, Blythe CA, and Lake Mead, etc) are the RV crowd. That aside, I would think that most other visitors would be the gamblers (and a goodly proportion of those drive in from SoCal).

So, I would be curious as to the amount of fly-in traffic to IFP.

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RE: Study Of Arizona's Rural Airports Service Underway

Sat Feb 01, 2003 7:20 am

I would have to imagine that air service to rural communities in AZ is a big problem. With >90% of the population in the Phoenix or Tucson metro areas it is inevitable that these places are losing service. Further in a place like Prescott and the Verde Valley the population growth is among retirees, not businesses that need to have their people travel. So whatever demand is there it is likely seasonal and low yield. Flagstaff and Yuma are both considerably bigger... ~125,000 and 160,000 people repsectively. But again the makeup of the populations and the business mix is likely not to support much air carrier service. Though I think both Flag and Yuma are supporting Dash 8s to Phoenix... and I believe UAX Brasilias still go to LAX from YUM.

It has to be difficult for these cities. Especially in the light that many other similiar sized cities are seeing a lot of air service... such as my new home in Charlottesville, VA... which has 4 carriers serving 7 destinations. But again the population clearly must be supporting it.
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