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When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:43 am

When will SQ take delivery of aircraft capable of flying SIN-LAX/SFO nonstop? I know there has probably not been any announcement of such service, but am curious when SQ will take delivery of aircraft capable of flying these routes.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:45 am

The first Airbus A340-500 for Singapore Airlines Limited will be delivered in October 2003 equipped with a redesigned First Class cabin.

Wanted the 744XQLR though. Never mind.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:17 am

What's wrong with the A345s???
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:42 am

SQ never wanted the 747X-QLR. It may have been Boeing's intention that SQ be a launch customer for this type but SQ had already committed to the A340-500 and the A380.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:14 pm

Khoa : 744QXLR programme is gone and besides I agree with GuyBetsy , they are not interested in the 744 . A340-500 will be a great plane.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:18 pm

What's wrong with the A345s???

Well, the fact that it's not a 777 for starters  Big grin  Laugh out loud
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:22 pm

Fred, you're right, 777 beats any A340 variant hands down. Not even close really.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:23 pm

The more variety the better . I dont want to see 777s all the time even through they are one of my favourites .

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:59 pm

The first Airbus A340-500 for Singapore Airlines Limited will be delivered in October 2003 equipped with a redesigned First Class cabin.

The last I heard that there wasnt a First Class... only Business and Economy........... (64J110Y)

And I think they've postponed the A345 till Jan 2004.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-L

Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:31 pm

It remains to be seen how far the delivery schedule overall has slipped. SQ didn't request that they be delayed, but they may be.

Any 777 is better than any A340 is statement unworthy of evaluation.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 4:53 pm

Well James Boyd - Singapore Airlines United States of America - said in a magazine that it would be delivered in early 2003 with a new First Class (of course - that was before the terrorist attacks hence the delivery now in October).

And I should've made it clearer that it was I who wanted the 744XQLR, not SIA - officially.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:20 pm

How long will the nonstop flight from SIN to LAX or SFO take?
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:27 pm

SilverKris says it takes 17 hours and 5 minutes or 20 hours and 20 minutes to and from SIN - LAX.

But whether that is relevant or not remains to be seen. I don't know if SilverKris based that on A340-500 timings.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:35 pm

According to news releases, SIA has said that Singapore to Los Angeles will take around 18 hours on the A340-500.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:50 pm

I for sure wouldn't want to fly 18 hours non-stop on the A345. Give me a Boeing 777-212/ER flying SIN-NRT-LAX any day.

Gigneil, got a problem with the B777? It's the greatest plane ever made after the 747.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:59 pm

Hi 9V-SVA:

There is in fact no problem with the 777-no doubt it is an excellent plane.  Smile

The problem was the statement that any 777 is better than any A340

Obviously this statement is incorrect like Gigneil said because not all the 777 or A340s which are to be released have been fully released to the public yet (eg. A345/6); so we should not be so quick to judge any plane's superiority over the other when we have not even flown them yet (SQ A345).
Maybe flying on a A345 would be a totally different experience from the A343/B777. You never know.  Wink/being sarcastic

Yeah I agree 18hours nonstop is really long; I'm sure that's when SQ's entertainment system will come in useful!  Big thumbs up

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:06 pm

It's still official that the A340-500 aircraft should be arriving Oct 2003 and the first flight from Singapore to Los Angeles will be on Nov 3 2003, although rumours abound of a delay.

The longest flights will not be from Singapore to LA but LA to Singapore in the midst of the Northern Winter. Present estimates are of a flight time of just over 18 hours.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:11 pm

Who wants to fly 18 hours (or more) nonstop? - I think 12 hours is also more than enough. What's the hurry?
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:23 pm

Oh typical American bigots, who cannot believe that Airbus has caught up, or even out performed Boeing.

Singapore_air: I don't think there'll be a redesigned first, will there be? I hope they have a new First product on the lines, ANA has already out perform SQ's Skysuites, and apparently Emirates will unveil a new first that will shift the industry standards.

Maybe there'll be a new Economy class product too. Cathay and Virgin has PTVs that are larger than the typical 6' screens, it's about time they upgrade theirs too.

18 hours is fine, as long as the entertainment is good (no doubt fot that for SQ), the seat pitch comfortable and the food substantial.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:28 pm

Ejazz:
Any idea who would be piloting the A345s? Probably the ex-A343 and A310 pilots right?

Thanks.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:37 pm

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:50 pm

There are few A340-300s remaining so most of those pilots have already been reassigned to other fleets so little chance of them moving again so soon. Any A340 expat Captains over the age of 55 will not be reassigned or put on the A340-500 but retire slightly early.

Management Pilots, Instructors and a few First Officers will move to the fleet first to gain experience on the aircraft before training others. Then any pilots with sufficient scores to warrant an upgrade can volunteer. If there are insufficient volunteers then those who qualify will be offered a place on the fleet which probably means most of the normal line crew will come from the A310.

There is no training at present. The first batch to undergo the conversion course in Toulouse will not be leaving for a while yet and as I've said they will be Management crew and Instructors

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:11 pm

You know, the more I think about it the more I wonder why SQ wants to fly LAX or SFO to SIN non-stop. This especially light of the the fact that the SQ flights between LAX and TPE and SFO and HKG are huge moneymakers for the airline (I believe the flights between SFO and HKG on SQ 001/002 are SQ's most profitable flights). Is there enough premium class traffic to warrant such a very long flight?
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:18 am

Personal preference ok? I gotta love the "typical arrogant Boeing fan" quote. That's priceless. Fact is, I love the 319,320,330 series. Just not the 340...I feel the 777 is a better aircraft, performance wise, passenger comfort wise, the whole 9 yeards. Not the end of the world folks.  Smile

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:26 am

The non stop services will definitely complement the flights that are already flying from North Asia to SFO and LAX.

The non stop services is good for passengers who are flying into Singapore or transiting to other South East Asian countries/India or to Australia and New Zealand, and they do not want to waste time to make a stop in TPE, HKG, Seoul or Tokyo.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:40 am

Sorry Rupertvander82,

But if you want to fly from LAX
1. to New Zealand, you can get there nonstop in less than 13 hours (AKL)
2. to Australia, you can get there nonstop in 14 h 30 min (SYD)
3. to India, you can get there via Europe with onestop (for example ZRH) in less than 20 hours (BOM)

So who wants to fly 18 hours to SIN transiting to some of these cities - it takes much longer that way.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:22 am

Will SQ still be keeping any of the A340-300s in their fleet or will they ALL be leaving (including the 2 still on order)?
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 3:18 am

RayChuang: Many P/J class FFs asked for the nonstop flights, esp those that transit through SIN. I'm not sure sure it's going to be viable, though. By the way, I don't think the TPE-LAX service is profitable.
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 3:25 am

Ejazz: Is the rumoured delay due to tech/ops or commercial?
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Tue Feb 04, 2003 11:59 pm

Would be interested to know how many A343s will stay at SQ?

Both the B777 and the A343 are just great planes, both have their bpro and cons. But I must say I really prefer the B777 a lot over the A343.  Big grin, that's me  Smile

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:05 am

I cannot wait to see what is the new Economy class product on the 345 will be like!
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:19 am

I think it is faster & safer to fly a 4 engined aircraft across the Pacific.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:23 am

And I should've made it clearer that it was I who wanted the 744XQLR, not SIA - officially.

Well, SIA was looking at 744QXLR along with CX, that's for sure.

May be SIA will dump 345 after 5 years operation than switch to 772LR?
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:50 am

18 hours nonstop in any aircraft is L-O-N-G....  Sad
(even in first class, A340-500 or 747/777) I received
a top-of-the-line La-Z-Boy for Christmas, yes, the one with
built-in cooler, AV remote control and speakers...  Smile
As comfortable as it is, I've never been able to stay in it for
more than 8 hours....  Smile


What I'm more interested is the "new" first class design
from Singapore Airlines.... Does anyody have any info
or pictures?

Thanks!!!  Smile
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:44 am

How much more can you redesign the current First Class sleeper seats? They are already very good... short of perhaps making the PTV's bigger but honestly I don't think F class passengers need a flippin' 32 inch TV screen!!
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-L

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:38 am

If I had to travel to Perth frequently, for example, I'd probably do it DEN-SFO/LAX-SIN-PER, just so I could stay on *A partners.

Much better than flying DEN-SFO-ICN-SIN-PER.

A lot of people fly SQ to India as well.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-L

Wed Feb 05, 2003 7:52 am

SIN is very out of the way for US-Australia. Doesn't NZ serve Perth, and arent they in Star Alliance as well? I would fly LAX-AKL-PER. Much faster and easier than via SIN, unless you really wanted the extra miles and/or the Singapore girls.  Smile
 
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:04 am

May be SIA will dump 345 after 5 years operation than switch to 772LR?

If GE can break SQ's dependance on RR for 777 ops, then there's a good chance it'll happen. Makes more sense for them to keep their longhaul down to 3 families (777, 747, A380)... and I'd love to see the famous "SQ-F.U." repeated again  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-L

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:09 am

Surprisingly, ANZ does not fly to PER.

The shortest *A routes are only a few hours more than an AA/QF itinerary due to layovers and whatnot.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:12 am

I also don't know how they would redesign the First Class cabin. Maybe that's the magic of it all - the magic of Singapore Airlines!  Laugh out loud

"SQ-F.U." repeated again.

What? SQ - F-word you? What?! *confused*

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:23 am

If SQ wants the A345s to fly this route and nothing else, would the B772LR have enough ETOPS to make it? COnsider SQ only has 120 minutes...
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:32 am

Singapore Airlines has ETOPS207 with the 777-200ER flying transpacific to Las Vegas apparently though.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:39 am

COnsider SQ only has 120 minutes

Consider where you got this information from since SQ does indeed ETOPS207 authority for some of its routes  Big grin
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-L

Wed Feb 05, 2003 8:40 am

There'd be few ETOPS concerns. It travels a very southerly route, either to SFO or LAX.

Just FYI... SIN-SFO is only about 6 nm farther than JNB-ATL.

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:18 am

Just FYI... SIN-SFO is only about 6 nm farther than JNB-ATL.

Yes, but:
1) ATL-JNB was only performed nonstop on the eastbound segment
2) the still-air difference between SIN-SFO and ATL-JNB is rather significant, as the former is an almost exclusively west-east flight and the latter is more north-south.
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:46 am

GE90-115 powered 777-200LR in SQ fleet will definately be wierd . I doubt SQ wants a 3rd engine type in its fleet .
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:07 pm

Surprisingly, ANZ does not fly to PER.

Yes they do fly to PER. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/timetablesandflightinfo/routes/international_route_map_popup.htm

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:17 pm

GE90-115 powered 777-200LR

While speculation suggests GE will seek common use of the GE90-115B for all 777NG models.... the 772LR is thus far to be equipped solely with the GE90-110B1
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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:28 pm

I know how SQ can make their First Class beds better.

Make them recline MORE than 180 degrees! That way they'll beat BA and CX hands down!

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RE: When Will SQ Take Delivery Of Aircraft 4 SIN-LAX

Wed Feb 05, 2003 6:18 pm

ConcordeBoy, granted SQ has ETOPS 207 for some of its routes, it is restricted to ETOPS 137 due to the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore being very conservative with this issue.

I would prefer B772LRs over A345s though. SQ might have problems adding another engine type to the fleet, but fleet commonality is more important overall to engine commonality.

Gigneil, ATL-JNB is more NS in orientation than SIN-SFO. Even B744s have problems making it non-stop from ATL-JNB. I should say the B772LR will be able to make SIN-SFO non-stop, although that fact is dependent on winds.

After all, NRT-LAX, TPE-LAX and HKG-SFO are lucrative money-makers for SQ. If they decide to fly the A345 non-stop, lots of potential revenue would be lost(but I would prefer them to axe TPE though for reasons known to me, Mr. BA and Singapore 777, and to a certain extent other SIA fans. Clue: Tropical SQ B744).

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