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Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:14 pm

Airbus has won a 43 aircraft order from Indian Airlines. "Indian Airlines has chosen to buy 43 Airbus planes," French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin in a statement. "I am of course hopeful that this choice will soon be made official."

Indian Airlines is India's largest domestic airline. However, the government must give its approval. It is expected that Air India will order Boeing aircraft.

More information at the BBC News Online website

[Edited 2003-02-06 09:17:38]
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:19 pm

IC's selection of Airbus has been a done deal for almost 6 months now. The only obstacle is the clearance from the ministry to place the order.
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:36 pm

My source tells me that a formal announcement is due in the next couple days, before the Aero India Show closes.

Mebbe this is what Singapore Air is referring to?

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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 5:52 pm

That is great news for Airbus . Another order for them .
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:17 pm

What's the French Prime Minister doing announcing an (potential) aircraft order? I thought Airbus was now an independent, publicly traded company. Perhaps putting a little pressure of his own on the Indian gov't. to finalize things soon? Yet they whine....why, because they get only half the orders being placed in India right now instead of all? Hmmmm....I wonder what the reaction would be if the President of the United States, or even the Senate Majority Leader made it their business to announce aircraft orders..................



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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:39 pm

Let me see... this story from February 1994 which says the President of the United States announces that "Saudia will order US planes". Quantity and type not mentioned.

But this story gives the order breakdown and when the deal was signed: October 1995. So they had 18 months in which to formulate their American choice.

So, no it's not an usual thing!

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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Thu Feb 06, 2003 11:50 pm

People only remember the part Cliton called the Saudi King. People don't remember the reason Cliton called the Saudi King was because a French minister announced an upcoming big Airbus order from Saudia after a visit to the Kingdom. The fact of the matter is governments from both sides of the Atlantic have applied political pressures to help their respective aircraft manufacturers to win orders. So, stop the finger pointing. Both sides are quilty.
 
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:36 am

"Both sides are quilty"?
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:03 am

Yeah....1995. We're supposed to be past all that now. Airbus is supposed to be all grown up now, not a French government project. That's what we are told over and over again, isn't it? As long as it is a pet project of the EU governments, you can expect, and rightfully so, the US government remaining and becoming increasingly involved in influencing aircraft orders, especially to countries still clinging to state-owned indusrty models. I wouldn't have said anything, except for the info posted yesterday about Airbus' whining about the order situation in India.



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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:05 am

With Aerospace products being one of America's and the EU's largest dollar value exports, is it not surprising that political institutions get involved?

Its called global business. There is a political reality to business transactions of that magnitude.
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 2:12 am

4holer:

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Cwapilot:

Remember Israel and Taiwan? They are more recent.

Jaysit and others:

Government is meant to help their country's own industries. The problem here is there isn't a clear line between lobbying and pressuring.
 
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 2:27 am

Given that Indian Airlines already operate A320 Family planes, ordering 43 more Airbus planes is a literal given.  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 2:44 am

You guys still, obviously, don't get the point. So, I will restate it in very, very simple terms. Today, the French Prime Minister (not an Airbus executive, as far as I can tell), announces an order with an undertone of "hurry up and get it finalized" while, only yesterday, Airbus was whining about the US government supposedly trying to influence orders in India with political pressure...and after the hundreds of posts here, and the rhetoric of Airbus, that they are independent now, not controlled by or proped up by EU governments. Now, maybe I am missing something here, but it seems a tad hypocritical to me. Do I run and tell teacher that Johnny is poking me in the eye, while at the same time I poke Jimmy in the eye on my way up the aisle?

The double standard is what I am talking about...I have no illusions regarding governments applying political leverage for their larger industries.

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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:07 am

Aren't the French, well FRENCH?
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:11 am

Cwapilot,

I understand what you mean. Airbus is still getting government loans for the A380 even though they now have half (arguably more) of the civil aircraft market. However, I don't think the particular instance you are citing is any big deal. This announcement is probably is just a part of a larger Indo-Franco friendship initiative.
 
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:28 am

I think what everyone is missing is that this is not "news". IA's decision was announced last March, but has yet to be finalized. So while I totally understand and agree with your point, Cwapilot, this is not the French minister announcing an order, but encouraging the order to be finalized.

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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:34 am

I distinctly remember the US putting pressure on El Al to consider the 777 family instead of the Airbus alternatives. As a matter of fact, I remember the US being rather angry when Israel was even considering Airbus.

There is a fine line between lobbying and pressuring, but no one knows where to draw that line.

In any case, this Airbus order was pretty much a done deal. Boeing had no shot at influencing IC to buy the 737 NG family.
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 4:18 am

Great new for Airbus and India. Looks like Indian Airlines and Shara India Airlines are going for the A320 family aircraft and Jet Airways still is going with the 737NG's!
 
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 4:21 am

Ozark, you so hit the nail on the head!  Smile
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 4:46 am

It wouldn't be a big deal if Airbus wasn't in the business of crying about supposed American government influence each time it appears it is not going to win an order. In this case, the pissing and moaning was a mere day earlier! Yeah, politics plays a role...no sh*t....but why piss and moan and whine and cry about your competitor doing the very thing that is the only reason your entire company even exists?
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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:04 am

Jaysit,

The U.S. didn't pressure El Al to get the 777, they pressured the airline not to get the A330. El Al wanted the 777-200ER to replace the 747 Classics, and the A330-200 to replace the 767-200/ERs. After the 777 order, El Al "announced" they couldn't afford to do both replacements. I should not need to spell out the rest.

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RE: Airbus Wins 43 Aircraft Order From Indian Airlines

Fri Feb 07, 2003 5:08 am

I think US government howls when state-owned carriers of countries that owe their existence to US protection try to buy Airbus. The US government directly or indirectly provides billions to Israel and Taiwan. In the case of the latter, we sent an aircraft carrier into the Taiwan strait when China decided to "test" missles in 1996.

I am glad the US government makes a racket when either of these companies tries to buy Airbus.