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Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Sun Feb 09, 2003 1:59 am

- According to a couple of Qatar Airways pilots on Aviation Gulf (http://www.aviationgulf.com/forum, Qatar Airways will be using one or two A319's from June 2003 for scheduled flights into Europe to complement the widebodies. I don't know if the aircraft would be leased or not but QR did order an A319 on the 6th of January for 2003 delivery but this could just as well be a second A319CJ which the CEO mentioned.

- Beirut is scheduled to go double daily instead of once daily in the summer season only.

- Paris will get one extra flight effective March 30 and will also get the A330 sometime this year.

- I didn't post that before but Dammam in Saudi Arabia has been upgraded to 7x weekly from twice weekly and Riyadh got an additional flight. This was since January.

- It looks likely that QR will once again defer the Airbus order to the Paris Air Show. The CEO has promised a large surprise. From what I have been told the A380-800's will be firmed then as well as the order of the A340-500 and additional A330's.


Regards,
QatarAirways

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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:24 am

I forgot to add:

QR's 3rd A330-200 A7-ACC has been delivered.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:36 am

Perhaps the "large surprise" at the Paris Air Show will be ordering Boeing 777s as the new ultra longhaul aircraft  Smile The777Man
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:29 am

The777Man,

That sure would be. Imagine the A345 (GOV.) and 777LR operating side by side in QR colours. But this article proves it is a distant dream:

Article from Flight Daily News (2002)




Qatar Airways, one of the fastest-growing airlines in the world, plans to buy a significant number of additional aircraft, chief executive Akbar Al Baker said at the show yesterday. An announcement will be made next year.

Al Baker was at Farnborough to take delivery of the second Qatar Airways A330-200. The airline already has orders, all with Airbus, which will raise its fleet from the current 16 aircraft to 30 by 2004 and to increase the number of destinations it serves from 35 to more than 60 in the same timeframe.

With Qatar Airways showing the kind of growth displayed by Arabian Gulf neighbour Emirates Airlines, Baker was asked if in the long-term the region could sustain two such ambitious airlines.

“We have already proved we can,” he says. “We have been growing at 35% a year for the last three years. In the first three months of this year we have grown at 60% compared to last year. These figures confirm that there is a market for top-quality airlines.

“You know that we have plans to grow to a fleet of 30 aircraft within two years. The real figure will be much higher and I’m making an announcement next year.” He says he could not reveal details at this stage as the exact numbers were the subject of a study. “But there will definitely be additional orders next year.”

Qatar Airways operates an all-Airbus fleet though each order is based on thorough evaluation of all aircraft on the market, says Baker. “Like all airlines we always get into a competition when we buy aircraft. For our route network and our requirement, Airbus had the optimum product.




Earlier last year QR were planning to get 5 Widebodies and 4 Narrowbodies. Now from what I have heard there will be less nb's and more wb's.

BTW Could the delay have something to do with the A340's problems?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:37 am

Any chance the A332s will fly into KUL soon? Or will they launch a new destination from KUL?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:49 am

OdiE,

So far from what I have heard on the A330's in Asia is that you will see them only in MNL from March 30 and PVG from June but it could be making surprise appearances in other destinations.

But now they are almost exclusively using high density A300's which have 250 seats as opposed to 224 on the low density ones as the loads are still high almost always 100% on the non-stop flights!

"Or will they launch a new destination from KUL"

CGK should be flown seperately from KUL sometime in the future because it is cheaper that way. After that I don't know what will happen, because now QR wants non-stop Australia flights. In the Far East QR is looking at Hong Kong, Taipei, Bali and Vietnam maybe the latter two could work via KUL?


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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 3:58 am

QR's 3rd A330-200 A7-ACC has been delivered
and is currently at LHR Smile
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:11 am

QR have high-density A300 as well? How many A330s are on the chart for QR? Is there any a bit capacity difference between the A330s and A300s? Just out of curiosity, you mentioned that the flights to KUL are leaving almost 100% full everytime, where do all these passengers originate from? Europe or the Gulf region. As far as I know, QR offer very competitive prices between Europe and Malaysia, but their transit in Doha is pretty long. Is there any plans for QR to change the schedules for those transit passengers from Europe to Malaysia and vice versa?

If QR is indeed looking at nonstop flights into Australia, they must at least have the A345 or the B772-LR for the range right? Operating to HKG, TPE and Vietnam via KUL seems to be a little off the normal route. (although I would like to see QR operating KUL-HKG) Wouldn't it be easier to route it via BKK for those countries now that BKK is getting a turnaround service. Bali, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand seems to be best option to operate via KUL.

Thanx in advance.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:41 am

Despite the delays of the A345, I wouldn't expect a 772LR order.

Even with the 345's delays, it will still arrive years before the first 772LR flies. QR would likely not get that early of a delivery slot either.

They're very likely to go with the 345, and probably order some 333s as well.

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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:05 am

OdiE,

"QR have high-density A300 as well?"

Half of QR's A300's are high density and are used mainly to Asia.

"How many A330s are on the chart for QR? Is there any a bit capacity difference between the A330s and A300s?"

8 without counting any additional orders and on capacity difference there are about 30 more seats in the high density A330's over the high density A300's and a lot more cargo. The first is due in about a month.

"where do all these passengers originate from? Europe or the Gulf region. As far as I know, QR offer very competitive prices between Europe and Malaysia, but their transit in Doha is pretty long. Is there any plans for QR to change the schedules for those transit passengers from Europe to Malaysia and vice versa?"

Most passengers are travelling between Indonesia/Malaysia to the Gulf and vice versa. As you said connection times to Europe are not very good on the KUL-DOH-Europe flights but are OK on Europe-DOH-KUL. When they do make KUL like BKK connections will improve significantly.

"If QR is indeed looking at nonstop flights into Australia, they must at least have the A345 or the B772-LR for the range right?"

They will have A345's delivered in 2004.

"Operating to HKG, TPE and Vietnam via KUL seems to be a little off the normal route"

As I said these are QR's planned Asian destinations but they won't neccesarily be thru KUL I was just providing examples of some possibilities.


 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:54 pm

Last time I posted some info on QR's new destinations more details on Aden which was supposed to be started in April. The CRS shows the start date as May 16th and the flight will operate twice weekly complementing the thrice weekly Sana'a services.

Shanghai has now been confirmed for A330 services starting in the summer.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Tue Feb 11, 2003 9:36 pm

And what about plans to start flights to Tunis???
I remember seeing QR a lot of times in Tunis this winter, but I don't know what was the reason for that as they don't operate flights to Tunisia yet...
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:54 pm

I can see Qatar operating a service to HKG via another city (like KUL or BKK..or even MNL?) as I doubt there's enough demand between Doha & Qatar to make a direct service profitable. Emirates & Gulf Air have a strong presence in HKG too.

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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:10 am

Hkg82, lol, U do mean enough demand between Doha & HKG dont you?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:14 am

Oh lordy, yes I meant Doha & Hong Kong not Doha & Qatar!! Tired, had a long & busy day...

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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:10 am

Even with the 345's delays, it will still arrive years before the first 772LR flies.

The first 772LR flight is expected late 2004 with deliveries beginning in 2005. That's hardly years after Airbus could be delivering A345s, especially considering the ineptitude they're currently showing at that  Big grin
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:05 am

AIR MALTA,

QR are already hiring staff in TUN preparing for the future flights. The QR aircraft you see in Tunis are actually aircraft having technical stops in TUN on their way to CMN. The route was supposed to be upgraded to the A330's to avoid that but the aircraft have instead been flown to MXP.

Hkg82,

If you look at QR's route network you will find that most of QR's routes would seem to lack demand for travel to and from Qatar. Most of QR's passengers are connecting traffic from all over and so HKG could potentially be a heavily travelled route.
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Sat Feb 15, 2003 4:08 am

Some more info came up when I looked at Amadeus:

- Tripoli will be flown twice weekly on the A319 from July 17th
- Munich will be upgraded to 4x weekly from March 30th
- Paris will get the A330-200 as well as the extra flight from March 30th

The rumours on Pakistan seem to be true QR will add twice weekly Islamabad flights from March 30 but this is probably subject to government approval.

Don't trust anything on the CRS untill I get confirmation because there have been screw ups before.

- I have also seen this picture http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?85159 of a Qatari A321! the caption says that it was leased and will delivered in March. I don't know if this is true or because it didn't appear in the fleet list I got last year but will try to get confirmation.


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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Sat Feb 15, 2003 7:50 am

Are there any plans for a BHX service on the cards?
 
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RE: Qatar Airways FEB '03 Update

Sat Feb 15, 2003 10:15 pm

Bhxforever,

There are two more UK destinations on the cards but not in 2003 either 2004 or later.