slawko
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Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:32 am

All I can say is THANK GOD!!!!!!!!! That symbol was insulting, revolting, and represented the streotypical BAD image of the entire airline!!!
Here is the full story:


Smiles replace hammer and sickle at Aeroflot
>
> MOSCOW, Feb 10 (Reuters) - By the end of this year Aeroflot's logo will no
> longer bear the hammer and sickle -- a symbol of the Soviet era most of
> Russia dropped over a decade ago.
>
> But the giant state airline, which turns 80 this month, hopes the belated
> change will help banish the visions of scowling cabin staff and rickety
> planes its name conjures up for many travellers.
>
> The new logo -- still under debate -- is part of Aeroflot's image
overhaul,
> to include staff training in polite and efficient service and cheerier
> uniforms and cabins.
>
> Founded in the early days of the Soviet era, Aeroflot has more than
survived
> the Union's traumatic collapse 11 years ago.
>
> The airline, flag carrier for the world's largest country, expects to
almost
> quadruple 2002 net profit to $74.2 million and boost it another 35 percent
> to around $100 million this year.
>
> And by the end of 2005, it should have a leaner and more fuel-efficient
> fleet, much of it foreign-made.
>
> "For 70 years, Aeroflot was a state bureaucratic structure that did what
it
> was told to do by the government," Lev Koshliakov, the company's deputy
> general director told Reuters.
>
> "Today it's a shareholding managed by modern economic methods on the basis
> of our real market position."
>
> Aeroflot rode out the global airline crisis that followed the September
11,
> 2001 attacks on the United States much better than its peers because it
was
> less dependent on transatlantic flights and able to grab market share as
its
> competitors cut flights to Russia.
>
> AMBITIOUS GROWTH TARGETS
>
> Koshliakov said the company intended to secure its ambitious growth
targets
> by restructuring its fleet and cutting costs.
>
> Aeroflot's fleet now consists of 27 Boeings and Airbuses along with over
100
> Russian aircraft, some of which are grounded because they are old.
>
> By December 2005 it will comprise 18 Airbuses and nine Boeings through
> different leasing arrangements but only around 50 Russian planes will
> remain.
>
> "We're just beginning the fleet restructuring project, but we hope it will
> eventually lead to a considerable reduction in leasing costs, about $100
> million a year," Koshliakov said.
>
> Growing financial prosperity has led to grumbles of discontent among
staff,
> who earn anything between $400 and $3,000 a month, and feel they deserve a
> piece of the improving action.
>
> Aeroflot began pay talks this month with unions representing a third of
its
> 15,000 staff who are threatening to strike.
>
> The dispute coincides with looming strike action at mining giant Norilsk
> Nickel and is another example of Russian workers flexing their collective
> muscle to squeeze more money from their employers.
>
> Koshliakov was confident that a strike would be averted.
>
> "We have no reason to think the threat to strike will be fulfilled, we are
> in dialogue with the unions to solve the problems," he said.
>
> LEAVING BAD OLD DAYS BEHIND
>
> Customers are slowly coming around to the idea that Aeroflot might have
> moved away from the bad old days of the early 1990s when the company had
> split into hundreds of tiny "babyflots," many operating just one or two
> planes.
>
> Russian airline safety hit rock bottom during that period of economic
chaos.
>
> Industry analysts say safety has been a major problem since then because
the
> vast majority of Russia's civil fleet was built before the collapse. Few
> carriers have the money to buy new planes or to modernise existing ones.
>
> Aeroflot's head Valery Okulov has repeatedly urged the government to
tighten
> safety standards and force bankrupt carriers out of business.
>
> At least 10 crashes involving Tupolev 154s, the workhorse of the Russian
> fleet, were recorded between 1990 and 1995.
>
> "I don't think they deserve their much-maligned reputation anymore, I fly
to
> London from Moscow on Aeroflot rather than British Airways," said one
> Moscow-based foreign businessman, though he added that service could be
> "patchy."
>
> Aeroflot, which usually offers cheaper flights, scored well on consumer
Web
> sites, although again service was seen as its weak point.
>
> Koshliakov said the company was struggling to change the perceptions of
air
> travellers and of its staff.
>
> "You have to understand that in Soviet literature and Soviet society no
one
> was supposed to serve anyone else and so the most despised professions
were
> the service ones," he said.
> *****************
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:33 am

It was mentioned on BBC News website. The proposed new colour includes blue and orange.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:35 am

Indeed. It's a blue/orange/silver design which is being created. Thought this was known weeks ago?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:48 am

Nice Boost for SU, PS I flew JFK-SVO and their new service is really great.  Smile)
They give you stirpped down Biz. Amenity Kits in coach now, slowly living up to the Europen Ailrine, now just add PTVs and I am happy.

-AG
PS: Aeroflot is adding amenities like kits when others are eliminating.
What now?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 10:45 am

Wasn't known weeks ago, was actually known about 12-14 months ago  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:47 am

All I can say is THANK GOD!!!!!!!!! That symbol was insulting, revolting, and represented the streotypical BAD image of the entire airline!!!

Slawko, I agree completely. Communism killed more people in the 20th Century than any other human-inspired event, including Nazism. The hammer & sickle was a symbol of that evil doctrine as was the winged hammer & sickle of Aeroflot.


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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:50 am

The hammer and sickle looked great. I happen to like their scheme, makes the AA, UA, AF, LH schemes look boring.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:02 pm

Communism killed more people in the 20th Century than any other human-inspired
event
?????????
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:16 pm

Communism killed more people in the 20th Century than any other human-inspired
event?????????


Correct, historians estimate over 70M people people died at the hands of Soviet and Chinese hegemony in the 20th Century, conducted in the name of strict Communist ideology. The largest events being Stalin's purges and the Chinese cultural revolution.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:37 pm

About time they got a new livery! What's the point of having a Hammer and Sickel livery if the country isn't communist anymore? doesn't make sense. That and the livery looks really bland- needs more colour.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:50 pm

Personally, I hope that amongst the jazzing up we will see, they keep the blue cheatline, or at least part of it - it is classic...

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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:40 pm

Communism, evil......... This is about aviation and to be honest I will miss the hammer and sickle. It made for a unique combination! I am also looking forward to uniform changes for the stewardesses  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Tue Feb 11, 2003 8:49 pm

I really don't want to turn this into non-av, so this will be my only post. Stalin was hardly a communist in any manner more than being a member of the party in the USSR, which of course was just part of controlling power at the time, Both the USSR and china were strict bascialy fascist governments using an economic system oringaly based on on communism (though in both cases it continued to evolve significantly over the years). To blame the actions of a crazy despot on the nations original economic idelogly is like a bit of a stretch at best. that said, they aren't even pretending to be communist anymore, so it makes sense to get rid of the sickle.
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:44 am

Hey all,

I for one, will miss the hammer and sickle. The livery looks great, and very stylish, if compared to other liveries. What does the orange color symbolizes? At least the blue, and white was part of the old Russian flag.

BTW, this is aviation forum, and please YYZ717 do not mix politics in. Thanks!

Cheers,

Andrej
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:45 am

I for one, will miss the hammer and sickle. The livery looks great, and very stylish, if compared to other liveries.

Are you kidding me?! The livery would be stylish...if it was 1984.
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:49 am

I love that hammer and sickle livery.

It might look old and boring, but to me, it's a very cool symbol.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:51 am

Kidding? No:

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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 5:20 am

Hey Jcs17,

I am not kidding you. The livery is much more nicer than many other liveries around. Someone might see the hammer and sickle as a symbol of communism, but otherwise the livery is very nice. The white and blue is symbol of Russia,(I believe that old Russian flag, had these colors, please correct me if I am wrong) and there is nothing wrong with that. However, as I have mentioned above, I have no idea what does the orange symbolizes. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Andrej

BTW, this livery might be older, but looks great, as does the Alitalia's, Air France's, Iberia's, etc.

 
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RE: Aeroflot Gets Rid Of Hammer And Sickle

Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:22 am

Andrej-

The world over associated the hammer and sickle with Communism, and terribly despotic and ruthless regimes--not to mention "cold" and awful customer service, which Aeroflot has been known for since...well...forever. Its not necessarily the tail colors that I am worried about, they look pretty decent...I cant complain...and neither can Delta because they ripped their tail right off from Aeroflot. I think the name Aeroflot, and the hammer and sickle have a lot to do with the reason why the reason why they have trouble attracting business in western countries.

By the way---Alitalia and Iberia's livery looking good is debateable..  Smile And AFs livery only looks good when the plane is clean.. Big grin
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