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Guns 'n' Freighters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:02 pm

I hear there's a bill being introduced in the USA allowing freighter pilots to carry guns in the cockpit.

Would someone care to explain what on earth for? To shoot the captain/co-pilot if he goes bananas?

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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:48 pm

Actually, there is some truth to what you said about the pilot "going bananas".

You may want to do a search for FedEx 705.. A DC-10 whose crew was attacked by a deadheading FedEx pilot who was in the process of being canned. It was in the early-mid 90's as I recall.

Had the crew not fought through the bloodbath, the face of cargo transportation in the US (not to mention Memphis) most likely would be different..

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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Mon Feb 17, 2003 10:45 pm

Actually, that bill is far from certain. There is an effort in Congress to exclude cargo pilots for obvious reasons. On the other hand, you never know when semiconductors or clothing might want to storm the cockpit.
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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:16 am

I know that FedEx has some Pallet sized boxes that could hold at least three people in them. What if some terrorists got the idea to ship themselves?
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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:21 am

I'm sure I've seen a joke web page advertising FedEx people bags, for those who want to transport themselves as freight. Perhaps someone has the URL.
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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:23 pm

H.R. 765, introduced February 13 by U.S. Rep. John Mica (R-FL), House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman would allow more than 10,000 cargo pilots to bear arms while in flight.

About FedEx 705:

Days prior to a scheduled disciplinary hearing, FedEx flight engineer Auburn Calloway skyjacked FedEx Flight 705 on April 7, 1994 with a hammer. Express 705 was a Douglas DC-10 operating from the cargo giant's super hub in Memphis to San Jose. David Sanders, 49-year-old pilot, copilot Jim Tucker, and FE Andy Peterson fought off the hijacker. The bloody crew landed the aircraft even though it was more than 20 tons over max gross landing weight.

Its widely accepted that Calloway planned to plow the DC-10 into FedEx's headquarters.

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The book about FedEx 705 by Dave Hirschman is "Hijacked: The Real Story of the Heroes of Flight 705" (Dell Publishing, October 1998)

Ironically, a doomed flight with the same number was the Northwest Boeing 720 that crashed in the Florida Everglades. Northwest 705 operating Miami-PDX was lost 40 years ago last week; February 12, 1963.

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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:32 pm

The whole idea of arming pilots is silly. It is an over reaction to a horrible tragedy.

It is hard enough to properly train police officers in the proper and legal use of firearms, and in the US cops carry guns all the time. The legal and moral/ethical issues of using a firearm are far too important to toss around and just give pilots guns.

It will be hard enough for a pilot to sit behind an armored door and continue to fly the plane when a hijacker is holding a passenger or crewmember hostage in the back of the a/c. Never mind asking the pilot to act as a one man SWAT team....

Let professional security people (so far not TSA....  Sad ) carry guns.
Let professinal pilots fly the airplanes.
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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:39 pm

Guns -N- Freighters? Is that a new rock group?  Nuts
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RE: Guns 'n' Freighters

Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:34 pm

Is that a new rock group?

Don't you mean "heavy metal"...? Big grin

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