dc-10 levo
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Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:00 am

 Smile Hi everyone!  Smile

Just been looking on the BAA website for tonight's Concorde arrival from JFK and it is cancelled:

21.10 -- BA002 -- NEW YORK -- CANCELLED

Is it because of the snow storms on the Eastern coast of the US?
Will tomorrow's service go ahead?

Thanks.

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:02 am

All flights out of JFK cancelled today, I believe.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:20 am

Wow! Every single one? It must be terrible.

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:21 am

The Manchester BA flight (767) was cancelled this morning, along with many from London I guess. My parents were supposed to be going!
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:24 am

I am on Long Island. Radio just said that some flights are still open (???).

I live near FRG / KFRG), USA - New York">FRG airport and BBN beacon. We have a foot here and its still coming down hard.

-M

al, latest update= it will end later, with total accumulation at 2 feet.

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:26 am

We got a phone call from our JFK counterparts yesterday evening, warning that JFK was going to be very snowed under today, the BA001 was cancelled, currently that is turning in JFK to do the BA002, so that's cancelled too by default.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:34 am

Will tomorrow's concorde flight from LHR fly to JFK?

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:48 am

We are getting buried in the NYC tri-State area under 3 ft of snow!.

It's going to take atleast two days to get things up and running again.

I can't leave my house, the snow is too deep for my snow blower and Im not even going to be able to get my Explorer out until tommorow at the earliest.
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:59 am

Lucky us that CX888/feb16 was not diverted.
However, a freighter from ANC to JFK is subject to diversion.

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:28 am

Cant really comment about the BA cancellation but I can tell you why the AF Concorde was cancelled ------ especially since I was the the one that did it.

We were advised yesterday that the only runway in use would be 4L and 4R for takeoffs, and we all know the SSC can only use 31L so Paris was advised and the Concorde was subsequently cancelled, I'm sure this is the same for BA since they use 31L as well.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:55 am

Also the airports in PHL, DCA, and BWI are all either closed or on severe arrival and departure delays. IAD had 1 runway open earlier but have not heard if there are plans to close for some more snow removal.
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:00 am

There is currently 22 inches of snow at JFK, i think that will answer most questions.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:25 am

Friend of mine is stranded in PHL... about 2 feet there... airport closed I believe.
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:31 am

AirFranceJFK

...and we all know the SSC can only use 31L...

No we don't, because you're wrong.

...I'm sure this is the same for BA since they use 31L as well....

No, the reason is exactly as GDB posted.

Regards

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:40 am

Belleophon

Yeh the weather was a big deal but JFK its still open so get your facts straight. The Concorde can't take off from 4L and 4R due to payload restrictions and the fact that it goes right over the South Jamaica neighborhoods.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:49 am

and we all know the SSC can only use 31L

That's not true at all...
while the "breezy point climb" out of 31L is standard for noise abatement.... Concorde also uses Rwy22 as needed
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 6:51 am

Rwy22R to be more precise
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ScottB
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:01 am

Well, considering that the storm pelting New York and New England is a good old Nor'easter, with the attendant howling northeast winds (20 MPH from the NNE, right now), a downwind take-off from runway 22R isn't exactly a great idea...
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:25 am

At 5:21pm, only 3 inbound flights to JFK. AA168 Tokyo, KAL251 ANC and AAR587 ANC.

That's it, 3 flights!
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:40 am

There are a few more than three, but still quite different than the norm.

Source: www.flytecomm.com, JFK for arriving airport. (5:30pm)

London, England Air India 111 07:59 PM In Flight
Tokyo American 168 07:07 AM In Flight
Seoul Asiana 222 08:34 PM In Flight
Anchorage, AK Asiana 587 10:59 PM In Flight
Gander, NF Evergreen International Airlines 6535 06:07 PM In Flight
Madrid, Spain Iberia Airlines - Spain 6251 06:16 PM In Flight
Anchorage, AK Korean Air 257 10:34 PM In Flight
Warsaw Lot - Polish Airlines 26 07:53 PM In Flight
Istanbul Turkish Airlines 1 06:58 PM In Flight
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:41 am

Scottb,
who said anything about using 22R today?  Insane
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:54 am

errrr no one did...but you mentioned its use for the Concorde, even though it's still useless on a day like today.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 8:59 am

All VS flights to EWR/JFK/BOS/IAD were cancelled today too, but some of the inounds came in. Gave me a nice easy day at work, and I'm off for 2 days now and will miss all the subsequant hassle Big grin

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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:12 am

If JFK was open to arrivals on a runway Concorde could use, I would think the weather at the alternate airports would put a stop to any chance of flying the service. Even if you did fill the aircraft right up, it would simply not be worth taking any risk what so ever setting out to an unknown situation, hence why the subsonics got cancelled too.

With so little aircraft in the fleet, maybe 3 or 4 at each airline flying (with the others in schedule checks) the last thing they would want to do is have aircraft positioned in the wrong places, causing further cancellations and customer inconvenience.

If AF had flow out today they would have had 2 a/c at JFK and maybe only 1 serviceable in Paris.

I'm sure the engineering staff will be rubbing their hand with the cancellations, time to catch up on the more mundane tasks with out an a/c to prepare/depart.
 
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RE: Concorde Flight From JFK Cancelled?

Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:58 am

AirFranceJFK

The reason that BA cancelled the BA2 is exactly as GBD posted, and has nothing to do with the runway in use at JFK.

When you said ...and we all know the SSC can only use 31L... you were wrong, and when you now say ...The Concorde can't take off from 4L and 4R... you are still wrong.

The fact that 04L is an extremely noise sensitive runway that is very rarely used does not mean that it cannot be used by Concorde, when no other suitable runway is available. It can be, and it has been.

My facts are straight, perhaps you should check yours?

Regards

Bellerophon