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Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:49 pm

Armenian Airlines starts its second weekly Yerevan-Amsterdam flight today. The company currently uses Armenian Int'l Airways' A320 for its European services.
Armenian Airlines restarted it's EVN-AMS services on December 1, 2002 after a year of interruption.

In the meantime, Armenian Int'l Airways plans to add a third weekly EVN-CDG flight in April.

 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:55 pm

Will this not interfere with the re- re-start of the former VG/Delsey Airlines? Read in postings recently that the profitable route Yerevan-Brussels-Los Angeles would be reinstated by them. Distance Amsterdam and Brussels is not that far so I guess there goes their Business Plan?
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Wed Feb 19, 2003 10:34 pm

Hey Going64,
You are absolutely right!
One of the conditions put by VG on Armenian Airlines at the start of the EVN-LAX services via Brussels was the dropping of Armenian's AMS services which they did. But at the moment, Armenian Airlines is offering round trip to LAX via AMS for only 650 Euros!
At the same time, Armenian Int'l Airways has 33 seats on Air France's LAX services on the days of their 2 weekly EVN-CDG flights and they plan to increase the frequency too.

Also, British Airways anounced back in November that they are in the race on the EVN-LAX route and will be operating direct flights to EVN from LHR starting in April.

So its just might be that the all profitable Yerevan-Brussels-Los Angeles route is already something of the past.


Regards,

Vatche
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:34 am

"So its just might be that the all profitable Yerevan-Brussels-Los Angeles route is already something of the past"
.... and it is also very quite from the VG/Delsey Airlines front.
Peter
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Thu Feb 20, 2003 8:42 am

Going64: ......it is also very quite from the VG/Delsey Airlines front.

QUIET? You're kidding right? Where have you been these last few days? Check this out below and see for yourself...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1022857/4/

As a result of the flights resuming from Yerevan to Los Angeles (via Brussels), Armenian Airlines will REDUCE the amount of flights to Amsterdan and Paris, not increase because there will no longer be any through traffic to LAX anymore!
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:02 pm

Hi FlyAirbus,
I understand what you are saying but the situation with Armenian aviation is not the way as it used to be when VG/Delsey started last April.

I'm not sure who Belgian Universal Airways is doing business with at the moment as the fate of Armenian Airlines is uncertain. Moreover, there are two private airlines at the moment in Armenia, Armenian Int'l Airways and ArmAvia, both flying A320s.
Both of these companies are very much interested in Armenian Airlines' European network.

The owners of Armenian Int'l Airways are those who originally started Armenian Airlines EVN-CDG operations back in 1994, and already have taken the rights of that route and are planning to increase the flights to Paris. This means that Armenian Airlines has no control over the EVN-CDG route anymore so they are not in position to hold talks on reducing these flights.
This Armenian Int'l Airways wants to take over the EVN-FRA too and they say they will increase the operations and make a similar deal with Lufthansa as they have now with Air France.
And just yesterday, a second weekly EVN-AMS started too!

So it's interesting to know now who BUA are negotiationg with at the moment. As reported earlier, Armenian Airlines is currently in talks with the two abovementioned private airlines to hand over its operations in the very (I mean, very) near future.

Best regards.
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:12 pm

@FlyAirBus
I was kidding in such a way that the thread you're referring to had a lot of posts in 3-4 days after which it died. So when I stated 'very quite' I meant that for 1 week nothing was heard anymore while the topic of this thread was considerably related to it.
And for your info I've been on the net every day lately (except short break last 4 days) and before I post I always perform a check of what has been discussed recently that could be of importance for my posts.
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:40 am

One of the conditions put by VG on Armenian Airlines at the start of the EVN-LAX services via Brussels was the dropping of Armenian's AMS services which they did.

Armenian did not stop AMS service because VG wanted them to. Armenian dropped AMS before VG even considered flying between EVN and LAX because Armenian wasn't allowed to use the Tupolev 154 on the EVN-AMS route (and they had some problems with the A310). First they intended to fly to RTM but soon realised that from RTM you have a lousy connection to the USA.
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:09 am

Hi LJ,

You are right that they dropped AMS before the whole VG deal and instead secured spots for RTM because of their A310 problems.
But the dsicontinuation of the EVN-AMS service was a precondition. VG also wanted Armenian to drop their FRA service but later they came to a deal for twice weekle EVN-LAX service instead of 3 times weekly as negotiated earlier in April 2002.

Anyhow, that is in the past now. Armenia is a very small market for airlines and there might be little room at the moment for an airline like Belgian Universal.

All the best,

Vatche
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:25 am

OD720,

Do you know why they use both Lufthansa, Air France and probably also KLM? Wouldn't it be more practical to have only one European partner?

BTW strange that you make precondition of a discontinuation which was already materilised before they made the precondition. However we are talking about the late VG/Delsey and thus everything is possible....
 
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RE: Armenian Doubles Frequency To AMS Today

Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:03 am

LJ,

I'm just assuming here. VG/Delsey were hoping to be around for at least a few years successfully so maybe they wanted to make sure that they have some control on the Armenian market. Maybe they thought that sometime in the future Armenian Airlines might restart its AMS services, as we are seeing happening at present. Just my thoughts. Does it make sense?

As for having one good European partner, I don't know. But it seems that many airlines tend to operate this way, they like having more than one partner.