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Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:39 pm

Press release
19.2.2003

Finnair opens Shanghai route

Finnair is the first oneworld airline to begin operating to Shanghai in China. The direct flights between Helsinki and Shanghai will start in September.

“During the past few years Finnair has been focusing strongly on its Asian operations. Passenger numbers on the Asian routes increased by 40 percent last year. This year capacity is increased by 25 percent,” says COO and SVP Scheduled Passenger Traffic Henrik Arle.

Shanghai, located on the coast of the East China Sea, is the fastest growing business centre in Asia. Initially flights to Shanghai will be operated three times a week. Like Finnair’s other Asian operations, the flights depart from Helsinki late in the afternoon allowing for good connections from European flights. The return flights to Helsinki also have good connections to the European network.

The Finnair Beijing route will be operated daily from the beginning of September. At the moment, Finnair flies to Beijing five times a week with an sixth flight being added at the start of June.

“As there are very few growth areas in the global economy at the moment, we are pleased that China stands out as the positive exception,” Arle adds.

In addition to Beijing and Shanghai, Finnair flies to Hong Kong in China. From the autumn onwards Finnair will have two daily flights to China. Other Finnair destinations in Asia are Bangkok, Singapore, Tokyo and, as of June, Osaka in Japan.

Finnair uses Boeing MD-11 aircraft in its long-haul traffic. This week a fifth MD-11 will be added to the Finnair fleet.


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19.2.2003

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:09 am

There is a market between Helsinki and Shanghai/Beijing?

I'm surprised BA does not fly the Shanghai - London route. Now, that has a market!
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:26 am

The real market is in all the gateway pax (passengers transfering in HEL and continuing to other destinations), and there is a huge market in Shanghai. AYs flights to the east (BKK and PEK especially) are doing great, and this looks like a real moneymaker too.

Virgin is actually the only carrier flying nonstop LON-SHA, and yes, that is strange. One could expect a codeshare with BA in the future. Flightime would of course be longer than a non-stop flight, but the good thing about HEL is that is perfectly located for far-east flights, so you would still get a pretty good one.

I'm convinced this route will do great.
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 12:32 am

Yeah, with Shanghai's economy growing so fast, it'll only be sensible for more airlines and more flights into the city.

But I really wonder why BA does not fly between LHR and Shanghai.
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:21 am

Shanghai’s economy is booming with foreign investment surging, an increase in tourists visiting the city & with more Chinese people going abroad, and with that, numerous airlines have started flights to Shanghai. Finnair should do extremely well. A few of the European majors who already serve Shanghai have reported extremely high loads on their PVG flights.

With regards to why BA doesn’t serve PVG, under an air services agreement between China & the UK, only one British & one Chinese carrier can operate flights between Shanghai & London.

Are the respective sides set to meet again in the near future?

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:54 am

There is a market between Helsinki and Shanghai/Beijing?

Like on BKK route AY has a lot of tourists on PEK route. However with Shanghai the situation will most definitely be other. Remember that Nokia and many other Finnish companies do a lot of business in China - Nokia has a lot of production there too.

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:27 am

I assume this will be a direct flight, or is a continuation of Beijing? I'm only asking because Finnair must be stretching their Md-11 fleet pretty thin if it is direct. But I suppose it will be possible when the 5th one enters service.
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:33 am

I wonder if BA not going to Shanghai is to do with bi-lateral treaties?
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:46 am

Isnt everything 2 do with bi-lateral treaties? Neways i remember that BA wanted LHR-PVG bad and were competing with VS for it, but eventually Virgin ran out winners. What do people think about airlines like China Eastern/Southern flying to Heathrow from Guangzhou and Shanghai? Yea i know slots and space at Heathrow and crap, but still a possibility i think seeing as they alread serve a few major cities in Europe.
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:54 am

As was stated already, it's one Chinese and one UK airline from SHA-LHR, but since MU and VS have a c/s on that route, it doesn't make much difference, although MU could theoretically operate the route at some stage in the future. I would think a freighter service would be more likely, since VS has indicated that cargo is very successful, but pax routes are "still maturing" (i.e. lousy!)

BA/CA fly between PEK and LHR.

 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:45 am

I would expet the BA codeshare on that route very soon.

MU is supposed to start LHR services later this year,hopefully with a 346!

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:04 am

Where is Finnair's 5th MD-11 coming from? Does this mean they might be interested in more MD-11s in the futre?
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:04 am

I was talking at Waterside the other day with a friend of mine in Alliances and he confirmed that China Eastern had been in talking about their new Heathrow service, BA codesharing on that and their admission to oneworld. By the sound of it it is all at quite an advanced stage!

Watch this space!
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 8:24 am

I'm sure Finnair will be interested in a few more MD-11s.

But they have also announced they will all be retired by 2010.

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:07 am

Well my thread was just deleted so as to not waste effort...

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Finnair has announced it is to begin Helsinki to Shanghai flights in September
2003.

"During the past few years Finnair has beeen focusing strongly on its Asian
operations. As there are very few growth areas in the global economy at the
moment, we are pleased that China stands out as the positive exception," Chief
Operating Officer Henrik Arle said.

Asian passenger numbers grew 40% for Finnair in 2002 compared to a 1% rise in
North American traffic and a 7% fall in European traffic.

Tomorrow (19 February 2003), Finnair is to reveal FY2002 results which is
expected to post a net profit.

More information at the href=http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/030219/3/3804x.html>Reuters / Yahoo website

Information was gathered from the above hyperlinked webpage. Full
information can be viewed by clicking the above hyperlinked webpage. Information
was rephrased and not copied and pasted unlike others with the exception of
quotes
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:16 pm

Guys you have to remember that Finnair is very careful with their decisions so the route must be profitable since it is opening.
CEO Suila is concidered here in Finland as a good leader and very calculative.

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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:01 pm

Yes, the flight will be a non-stop service. This is made possible by the 5th MD11, an ex CityBird MD11 (new reg OH-LGE, old reg, well I forgot it).

China is a market growing fast. On the HEL-PEK flight, a large proportion of the pax are Chinese, and this is expected to grow if and when the Chinese get liberalized visa rules for tourism travel. Right now, it is only possible to get business visas to a longe range of western countries (which means lots of study trips), but this will probably change soon. The EU is discussing the matter, or is about to, with the Chinese. Having a flight to SHA when that happens, and even if it does'nt, will probably prove very valuable.
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:02 pm

I wonder has PVG been designed to accommodate the A380-800? If they are, LHR-PVG-LHR on a VS A388 starting late in 2006 might become reality.  Smile
 
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RE: Finnair To Open Shanghai Route

Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:57 pm

I'd hasten to say that PVG has been designed to accept most anything.. For those of you who haven't yet been to the airport, it's roughly as long as the main terminal building in MUC, and only represents 1/4th of the project, several (many?) years from now when the airport is completed, they will have 4 such terminals and 4 parallell runways, with the worlds first Magnetic train transporting PAX to a subway transfer point at the edge of the new downtown business district in 8 minutes at speeds over 270MPH... Even the 1/4 that is there now is pretty darn impressive..