flyCMH
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Columbus Expansion Continues

Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:48 pm

American Airlines is the latest airline to announce additional service from Columbus in light of America West's closure of their Columbus hub. Starting in April, four new frequencies will be added from CMH to ORD, DFW, and LGA with American and American Eagle. This follows Delta's announcement of 11 new RJ flights to be started in the spring. In addition, USAirways has also made adjustments to their schedule, including bringing in larger aircraft such as 737-400 and A320 aircraft, as well as adding an additional frequency to Philadelphia. Hopefully the expansion will continue as the airport works with airlines currently serving the airport and possible new airlines to start new flights from CMH.

American announcement:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030220/dath010_1.html

Delta announcement:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030212/atw015_1.html
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:42 am

There's a good side and a bad side to these announcements.

The good side is that CMH gets more service and the addtional capacity will prevent fares from rising much. This is good news for the people who live in CMH and the people who do business there.

The bad side is that all this additional capacity keeps yields down for the airlines. Remember, one of the reasons HP pulled the CMH hub was simply a matter of overcapacity in the region. Too many hubs vying for too little traffic. If all the other airlines back-fill all the capacity that HP pulled, nothing really changes.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:00 am

Keep in mind though, none of these additions in service equate to having a hub status in Columbus. The added American flights more or less solidify their presence on existing routes and taking the O&D that America West held. Most of Delta's additional flying will do much of the same. On their new routes, such as to DFW, Delta will be able to capitalize on connecting traffic in addition to the O&D demand between the two cities, and the new Florida routes with the ERJs will allow the airline to gain market share, take advantage of the fee waivers that the airport is allowing for new service, as well an not cannibalize connecting traffic through their Atlanta, as well as Cincinnati, hub.
 
scottysair
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:50 am

Keep it up really need more flight out of CMH, too. It's will having need more passengers to be fly out of CMH with connecting of the cities. Also, I do knew flight was came back nonstop from LGA-MHT and after it's was been suspended for because too many delayed with those flight into LGA airport. It's really need get stepped up more runway, too. Well, catch ya later!

Regards!
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:17 am

do you think we will be seeing an airline like JetBlue start CMH-LBG to fill the HP void. or perhaps Song flying to MCO, FLL, or TPA?
 
ouboy79
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:34 am

Well thanks to the whole CMH addition - TOL is losing a flight to ORD thanks to the ASM restrictions. Unfortunately this is something not really thought out - that other cities are being hurt by this CMH ramp up.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:57 am

Jetblue flying to MCO, FLL, or TPA. I would say no. Not with DL and WN(MCO, TPA) on those routes. HP pulled out because there wasn't enough traffic, and with DL Connection adding Florida capacity, a Song 757 would be more than what we had to begin with.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:00 am

If AA adds a city, they usually pull out of another!!

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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:48 pm

Remember Eagle has a large ERJ maintenance facility at CMH. More RJ flights makes it easier to bring in aircraft for scheduled maintenance and reduces the number of empty ferry flights.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:14 pm

i will miss america west and their columbus operations. when flying from phoenix to the east coast, i always used cmh to break up the trip and stretch out a little bit. plus, jumping on a erj was always fun, much better than the crj.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:16 pm

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Posted Fri Feb 21 2003 00:17:57 UTC+1 and read 123 times:
do you think we will be seeing an airline like JetBlue start CMH-LBG to fill the HP void. or perhaps Song flying to MCO, FLL, or TPA?







Why would Jetblue start service to Le Bourget from Columbus???????? LMAO!
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:30 pm

In terms of expansion are any of these routes possible with HP leaving?

Delta
-SLC (737)

United
-SFO (A320 or 737)

American
-MIA (ERJ or MD80)

Also, I would think one of the big majors could make a buck flying to the LAX now that HP will be ending the service. I would think CO, NW and DL would offer more frequencies to their hubs in CVG, DTW and CLE. Shuttling people quickly to a hub (20-30 minutes) for connections to almost anywhere in the US.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:44 pm

American
-MIA (ERJ or MD80)


Thomacf -

Eagle had Columbus-Miami at one time on ERJ. I would not be surprised if it came back.

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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:48 pm

Eagle did very well load-wise with MIA-CMH, but they had payload restrictions. With the CR7s, that should no longer be a problem. DL is finally giving Miami non-stop service to CMH year-round with thier new twice daily FLL-CMH service, and that will be almost pure O&D. I'm sure a daily M80 on CMH-MIA could do fine. Just schedule it to fit Caribbean connections like CLE, BNA, and CLT are.
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:52 pm

LAX-CMH did well for HP because of their other smaller NE markets like DCA and LGA among others. I don't think CMH-LAX has all that much O/D.

Does it?

N
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:54 pm

I see Chataqua (Delta's arm of the company) making a mini hub there.
 
flyCMH
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:33 pm

As of now, it's hard to tell exactly what other new service might be in store for CMH. The airport has begun a massive campaign to attract new service, from waivers on landing fees and gate leases to fund for marketing new service.

JetBlue in Columbus probably isn't very likely. Their current focus appears to be transcon and Florida flying from their JFK home, as well as expansion from their fledgling Long Beach domicile to major destinations on the East Coast. The airport has stated that jetBlue is on their radar screen, but CMH just doesn't fit their business model at the moment.

I agree with MAH4546's statement concerning CMH-MIA service. With this latest announcement, it seems clear that American wants a greater piece of the CMH market, and MIA would definitely help them gain it. A well-timed MD-80 that would allow for connections to Latin America would work very well, in addition to taking advantage of the current O&D demand between the two cities. I've heard that AA wants to add a 5th gate at CMH, so it might happen.

As for Delta to SLC and United to SFO...who knows. Like I said earlier, the airport is offering some VERY generous perks for initiating new service, so if the offerings are deemed enough by these airlines, it very well could happen. With Delta's expansion in Columbus, Salt Lake City could be a possibility. However, O&D between the two cities is only roughly 80 people per day, so the route would have to rely pretty heavily on connecting traffic. If they could put an RJ on the route, they could probably do it.

Given United's fiscal situation, they might not be around much longer. It would be great to have them start CMH-SFO, but in their current state of contraction and focusing on making a new LCC, starting CMH-SFO is most likely not very high on their priority list.

Lastly, with Los Angeles, the route as of late has not been doing well at all. Since it was placed in the 8PM bank, connecting, as well as local passengers, have dwindled. If any carrier were to pursue an LAX route, I believe Southwest would be the best carrier to do it. They already offer 2 one-stop flights between the two cities, and their low fares coupled with (hopefully) a more convenient departure time, could make the route work.

I still believe America West had a lot of potential here, sadly they never capitalized on what they had.
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:24 pm

JetBlue in Columbus probably isn't very likely. Their current focus appears to be transcon and Florida flying from their JFK home, as well as expansion from their fledgling Long Beach domicile to major destinations on the East Coast. The airport has stated that jetBlue is on their radar screen, but CMH just doesn't fit their business model at the moment.

It may be time for JetBlue to start thinking about adding more spoke cities in the Eastern US again. Although Song will initially mostly replace Delta Express, Mullin intends to go after JetBlue with it. JetBlue needs to beef up their connecting and regional traffic at JFK, in order to diversify against the likely loss of some Florida pax. 3-4 A320's per day on CMH-JFK would probably pull in high load factors and good yields.

JetBlue ought to consider Cleveland again too, though my own cynical take on that is that Cleveland's fumble was NOT accidental. Continental doesn't want JetBlue flying between two of their hub markets. Given the corrupt and incompetent managment of CLE, it probably didn't take much to get CLE to back off.

Best of luck to CMH in getting more service.
Jim
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:46 pm

Gigneil,
LAX-CMH had horrible loads. On the weekends it would be about 60% but on the weekdays you could expect about a 35% load factor. Aside from LGA (and the seasonal RSW) you could get to any East Coast HP destination through LAS and PHX. (and aviod the ERJ at the same time)
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:09 pm

I can't imagine that JBLU would really want JFK-CMH. It's not a huge route in the first place in terms of traffic numbers and most people aren't going to want to fly CMH-JFK-MCO.

I can't imagine DL operating CMH-SLC either. DL really can't afford to put its mainline planes on such long and thin routes. The only way I would ever imagine CMH-SLC would be with an RJ. However, DL's RJ's don't have the range...plus it would be one heck of a long time to be crammed in an RJ.


Ouboy, do you know for sure if the reason AA is pulling the RJ from TOL is because of CMH? Or is that just speculation?
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:18 am

Should Chautauqua pony up some money to purchase ERJ-145XRs, then we might see CMH-SLC, as well as some other longer routes were Chautauqua might be able to fill in at DFW.

Jeff
 
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RE: Columbus Expansion Continues

Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:49 am

Doug - That is what the local station was told, that the plane was being pulled from TOL to expand CMH. They did also state that STL would happen in TOL to make up for it - but only after the ASM issue is resolved. I think if we dug deeper, we could find other smaller cities getting service reductions to help support every airlines new darling - CMH.