danielbk
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TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 12:07 pm

What's going on with the TWA building in JFK this days?

A few weeks ago i flew in from ISRAEL, on while taxing to terminal 4,
(it was a night landing) i noticed that the TWA sign is lighted...


??

cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 2:02 pm

Nothing will be happening for the next few years, the Port Authority owns the terminal and they just released their 5 year budget which alocates zero for the refurbishment of T-5.

It was originally envisioned that T-5's gates would be torn down, as would all of T-6 and replaced with a single terminal for B6 and UAL which would incorporate T-5 as an entrance. UAL is no longer a partner in the plan, and the Port Authority has other priorities (rebuilding the WTC, rebuilding the PATH line, upgrading security at the Marine Ports, Airports, PATH stations, Tunnels, Bridges etc.

The T-5/T-6 plan was a Late '90s luxury that has no place right now, maybe 10 years from now.
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:17 pm

Are they using it at all or does it just stand there?
anything still inside? preserving it maybe??
cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:53 pm

By the looks of it, it looks pretty empty, it's funny how they say "temporarily clsed" when it won't be opened an time soon. I think B6 pax. wouldn't be very happy with all the construction if they were to unify T5 and T6, but if B6 starts booming with their JFK hub (right now they appear to be focused on LGB) B6 might need the space.........
I wonder if anyone has tried to sneak into the terminal. It looks very hollow and empty from the outside.
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:08 pm

That was way ahead of it's time. "Catch me if you can" movie has a lot of shots of it.

I was born about 4 miles from where it stands today in Idlewild, Queens.

I got sort of a thrill when I walked around it in my TWA Captains uniform.

These is a movement afoot to get it designated as a national historical site.
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:49 pm

The TWA Terminal (Terminal 5) was supposed to be rebuilt into a conference facility at JFK Airport and the centerpiece of a new, expanded T6, that would have housed JetBlue, United Airlines, and some Star Alliance carriers as well. The development plans were laid out before September 11th, 2001. However, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs JFK Airport, has a lot of other priorities at the moment, as someone stated above, including the reconstruction of the World Trade Center site, a transportation hub near or at the site, the AirTrain JFK, etc...Furthermore, United Airlines has pulled out of the project (it has fewer flights now from JFK than it used to*) and as such, there is little enthusiasm or interest in the project, given the current state of air travel and the airline industry in general.

*United Airlines flies nonstop from JFK to Tokyo/Narita, London/Heathrow, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington DC (UEx), and weekend service is or was operating to San Juan, PR. At the time of the discussions around a new terminal, United's international service from JFK included Hong Kong, Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires, and a dormant route to Caracas.

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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:03 am

JFK has plenty of room, the new T-4 is severely under utilized during the day, and the terminal's concourses were designed with future expansion in mind. They can add another 20-25 gates to the terminal.

I think T-5 has seen it's last revenue commecial flight activity, what they are going to do with it remains unclear. It's not going to be torn down that's for sure.

Perhaps they will move it like they did with EWR's historic Terminal 1, which was moved 1/4 mile and now houses EWR's administrative offices as well as Port Authority police and fire.

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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:17 am

But like mentioned before, what do they do with all the space around the terminal. I think i remember seeing a picture of the terminal with the gates removed. Do the use the old gate area as a parking spot for any planes?
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:03 am

I ahve been to JFK many times when there have been JetBlue 320s, Concorde and a BA744 parked there.
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:17 am

In the 1930's, it was a grass strip with 2 hangars. I could bicycle to it. Biplanes coming ang going. NEAT!

I had an uncle there who had a small cottage, a few fruit trees, a cow, and a few chickens.

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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:12 am

JFK was built in the Late '40s, before that it was swamp and a golf course.
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:22 am

In the 1930's it was Idlewild, a section of Queens. Most of the swamps were North of Conduit. The nearest golf course that I know of was Valley Stream.

It didn't become JFK untill after Kennedy's assasination.
 
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RE: TWA Terminal In JFK

Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:35 am

I know but there was no airport until Idlewild was built (correct me if Im wrong) in the 1940s. Before that there was Floyd Bennett field and Flushing. LGA opened in 1939.

"February 23, 2003
It's Back to Nature for a Once Bustling Airport
By DENNY LEE

Takeoffs and landings at the old Flushing Airport will soon be reserved for birds.

The city plans to restore to wetlands 33 acres of the abandoned airstrip, which ranked among the nation's busiest until La Guardia Airport opened in 1939. The plan involves ripping out old hangars, weeds and runways to make way for manmade inlets, native vegetation and the return of wildlife. Soon, the hope is, there will be fleets of herons, raptors and oystercatchers.

"This is the last former airport in the city we've been trying to bring back to life," said David Lutz, executive director of Neighborhood Open Space Coalition. "It has the potential to become the most naturalistic site in northern Queens." The other airports being naturalized include Floyd Bennett Field near Jamaica Bay in Brooklyn, and Miller Field in New Dorp Beach on Staten Island.

The city's Economic Development Corporation, which owns Flushing Airport, hopes to make the design final later this year.

Under state rules the creation of the new wetlands will make the city eligible to add 20 of the airport's 78 acres to the nearby College Point Corporation Park, said Janel Patterson, an E.D.C. spokeswoman. The rest of the land will be a buffer between the wetlands and the College Point commercial area. The corporate park is home to 175 companies, including a New York Times printing plant, and several developers are interested in the site.

"We don't want another shopping mall," Marilyn Bitterman, district manager for Community Board 7 in Queens. said about the new corporate acres. But she likes the openness the wetlands will bring.

Flushing Airport, which closed in 1984, has been a breeding ground for mosquitoes. Over the years, several proposals have been made for the site, including using it as a mooring dock for blimps. "This plan is throwing a monkey wrench into everything," said Alan Gross, president of Airships Unlimited, which made the blimp proposal.


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