jsnww81
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Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 9:40 am

The thread on airports most in need of a facelift got me thinking about some of the airport terminals that have been replaced in recent years. Being only 22 years old, there are many which I never got to see, even though they were replaced in my lifetime. I was hoping some of the users on this board could enlighten me with their memories.

Denver Stapleton has been talked about to death on this board, so I won't go into that one again... but I would like to know some details on the following airports:

Charlotte (replaced by the current terminal 1982)
Nashville (replaced by the current terminal in 1987)
West Palm Beach (replaced by the current terminal in 1989)
Pittsburgh (replaced by the current terminal in 1992)
Buffalo (replaced by the current terminal in 1997)
Austin (replaced by the current terminal in 1999)
 
FATFlyer
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:13 am

These are about the old terminals after they closed (including exteriors of the unused buildings), but might be interesting.

I ran across this page some time back with some pics from Pittsburgh
http://www.gribblenation.com/papics/airport/airport1.html

Here's one about Austin-Mueller
http://www.austinexplorer.com/History/Sites/TravisCounty/MuellerAirport/

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jsnww81
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:31 am

FATFlyer:

Thanks for the sites. I actually flew through AUS once, in 1991, but I remember very little about it (which is why I included it on my list.)

I do remember coming in to land right over Interstate 35, which abutted the airport on its western edge, and using extreme reverse thrust to come to a stop on the short runway. I don't recall almost anything about the terminal, except for the funny-looking control tower and that the exterior (airside) looked like it had been recently modernized.
 
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:37 am

The terminal in Birmingham was given a HUGE facelift in 1991. They used the existing structure, the inside was COMPLETELY removed though and done over. There is still a part of the old-old terminal built back in the 50's or so (not really sure) that is still accessible. It's neat to go in there and see the type of tile on the floor and there are parts of the old wood grained ticket counters left also. Ahhhh, those were the days.
 
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:45 am

Don't forget New Orleans (KMSY). I visited there last summer, and I hadn't been there in 7 years. There was very little resembling what I remember from the past.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:07 am

Don't forget New Orleans (KMSY). I visited there last summer, and I hadn't been there in 7 years. There was very little resembling what I remember from the past.

Huh?!?!?!

What on earth are you talking about... we've had the same 2-terminal/4-concourse layout for yearrrsss (well, decades also).

Very little has been done other than switching the airlines' locatios around. Now they're re-doing the checkin area, but that's about it.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:21 am

I flew out of Austin-Mueller once in 1997 on Southwest airlines. The little gate section that Southwest had to itself reminded me of a bus terminal. Large square room with 5 or 6 gates and a lot of people. Kinda darkish color scheme. Not too nice overall. I certainly hope the new airport at Bergstrom is a lot nicer.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:52 pm

About AUS -

I remember one visit there in the late 1980s - I was at a FBO on the other side of the field from the passenger terminal, and I looked over to see an American DC-10-10 coming in on final.

I was just sure it had to be an emergency landing or divert, even though it was a bright, clear day.

That baby came down on the piano keys, and roared into full reverse. It barely stopped at the end of the runway, and he had to turn that thing around in a 180 right there on the end of the runway to taxi back to a taxiway.

I learned later that AA had two DC-10-10 flights a day (at the time) to Mueller - one in the morning and one in the late afternoon - and that the book value on runway length was just a few hundred feet longer than the minimum necessary to set one of those beasts down.

I'm sure that my memory has shortened the runway and lengthened the stopping distance for a ten ten, but it was a sight to see.

Mueller was an old airport, but not in the grand tradition that Chicago Midway was - it (the terminal) wasn't really designed for props, nor for the volume of traffic that accompanied deregulation. There was one primary airside that ran out into the field - gates on each side, and narrow.

My sister flew down from New York once for a conference, right before the new airport opened at Bergstrom - she was shocked that a state capital in a [then] rich state would have such a crappy looking airport. Of course, it belongs to the City, not the State of Texas.

It was closer in, but not even really convenient to get to; all secondary roads, and traffic all the time.

The new Austin/Bergstrom airport is gorgeous - the spaces inside are great, lots of room at the gates, and the whole thing feels peaceful AND has a Texas flair that Mueller just didn't have.

Last I had heard, there was talk among city council (in Austin) about re-zoning Mueller into residential, and having new construction there - most of the new construction is far north, south and west of the city.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:56 pm

Not to be picky, but..... Smile
Regarding MSY, yes, the eastern end of the main terminal has remained the same since it was built in 1974. However, we did a complete reconstruction of concourse C (UA, AA, F9, AirTran, intls) in the early 90's, and concourse D (DL and CO) was reconstructed in the late 90's. And the entire DL lobby is new as of the late 90's.

But, yes, the bird roost....err....parabola seating lobby is still there.

As for old terminals, I recall ones (that I flew out of) at DAB, FLL, JAX, ONT, TPA (yes, the airsides count), SFO (old PSA concourse), of course DEN Stapleton.

As for others, I can think of other airports such as PBI, PNS, TLH, CLT, GSO, GSP, MOB, PHX T-1, that have decommissioned old terminal in the last 10-20 years. I'm sure I could come up with a bunch of others.

What would be interesting to find out is which of those old terminals are actually still standing? Of the 2 groups I listed, I'm guessing ONT, MOB, a portion of DAB; of course portions of TPA and JAX.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:09 pm

ONT's is still standing - for now. It will be torn down within the next year or so, to make room for the new gigantic air cargo facility.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:21 am

I had forgotten about ONT... if I remember correctly, their old terminal was recently used in the movie "Catch Me If You Can," although it was supposed to be MIA. It looked like a great deal of the building was open-air, was that the case?

You can also add the former terminal (the "Eddie Martin Terminal") at SNA to the list... anyone remember that?
 
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:39 am

The old terminal @ ATL was finally demolished in the late 1980s, nearly a decade after the Mid-Field Terminal was opened. The current site of the Renaissance Hotel is approximately where a large part of the old terminal stood (as is 800 Hartfield Centre Parkway, the office building in which ASA is HQ'd at). Several ideas came down the pipeline on what to do with the old terminal, ranging from turning it into an office building, or into a shopping mall/hotel complex, and there was even talk of turning it into a casino (which would have required changing some laws in the state).

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Tom in NO
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:45 am

How about some memories from the old terminals:

ONT: I worked one summer ('78) for PSA at the old terminal, and recall watching planes (both inside the terminal, and from the old Archibald Ave when it extended around the eastend of the field) and flying in and out of it many times while growing up. The terminal could get so cramped sometimes with pax, and the old open-air baggage claims and outside tin roof open-air boarding areas were interesting, especially in the summertime.

DAB: Used the old terminal a number of times while going to Embry-Riddle ('81-'84). During the time I was there, the airport renovated the old old fire station for use by Piedmont. This was on the opposite side of the baggage claim from the main lobby areas (Eastern, Delta, and various small commuters-PBA and Dolphin, mainly).

FLL: Very interesting old terminal, very spread out. 4 separate ticket lobbies (DL in one, AC/PA in another, EA and CO in another, UA/BN/NW/TW/OZ/US/TI in the other). Slept on a wooden bench one night ('81) across from CO's ticket counter while awaiting a morning FLL-MIA-DEN-ONT flight. I have an old black and white pic that the airport sent me years ago in my office looking overhead the terminal.

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:17 am

How about the old international arrival building at JFK. The Ellis Island of her day. Don' t think anyone misses that place, but it was the first look at a new land of opportunity for millions of people.

Another one that comes to mind is the old terminal at DCA. I think it is still used- but very lightly.
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:12 am

Petazulu, access to CAL's DCA gates is via the new terminal, but the gates themselves are actually the old United gates in the old terminal. Northwest and others still use the eastern-most gates, but that part of the terminal was a 60's-70's addition.
 
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:43 am

What about Heathrow T1, T2 and T3? Those surely aren't new. I remember seeing pics of I think T2 from the early seventies.

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:58 am

Well technically TPA's old terminal was in the southeast intersection of 9-27 & 18L-36R.

Where was the old FLL terminal located.

AAHHH yes! The old Atlanta! Thatplace looked real modern for its day.

There is a great book by George Cearley regarding the history of airline service at ATL. Lots & lots of great photos spanning 70 years.
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:33 am

You can add MHT to the list. The old Ammon terminal was shut down in the early 1990s in lieu of a new modern terminal. Since then, 2 new extensions were added, with the commuter concourse (opened in 1999) being renovated for jetways, so that there will be 15 jetways at the airport. There are plans to add a furthur 8 where a short term parking lot is currently.

There have been rumours to reopen the Ammon terminal should MHT start to receive international charter flights, although this is unlikely (but possible).

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:41 am

BRS has had a new terminal in the last 4 years. The old terminal was great, I have good memories of it... One of the best things, only 1 luggage belt  Laugh out loud.

Also... Sniffer dogs at the door, sweet huh. The new terminal opened about 3 years ago. Unfortunetely we need another one now, the old terminal is now offices, there is a new control tower and the new terminal has already gone over capacity (over 3m passengers already  Laugh out loud).

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:38 pm

The terminal that has been recently replaced is the Greater Moncton International Airport that was in the old terminal on Champlain and the old terminal has been replaced by the new and much better termilan on Near HHY 15 na d you know what the queen inaugurated the new terminal.

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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:09 pm

From what I can tell, the old Fort Lauderdale terminal was located roughly on the footprint of the current terminal complex. Starting in the early 1980s, the facility was incrementally demolished and replaced.

The project also involved rerouting US Highway 1 and the adjacent railroad tracks, which had hemmed in the old terminal. Once those were out of the way, the new (and current) terminals could be built on a much larger footprint.

Must have been an impressive and slow project, somewhat similar to the new terminal now under construction at Chicago Midway. If memory serves me correctly, Louisville also systematically replaced its old terminal with a new one (on the same site) in the 1980s.
 
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:35 pm

Re: the location of the old terminal at FLL. The new terminal was completed in the mid 80's. I interviewed for an airport management position there in June of 1986. I'm reviewing my photos from that trip, and they show:

1) the North (DL) terminal: ticket lobby is complete, the concourse is being built, and the old gates are being used.
2) the Northwest (EA/CO) terminal: new ticket lobby is complete, but old concourse and gates are in use. Old connector corridor between EA and DL is still up, woth "EASTERN" sign in place. The old concourse stuck out diagonally (towards the northwest) from the area barely north of the current West terminal.
3) the West and South Terminals are up and running.

At that time, I recall that US-1 had already been moved. From my forays there in the early 80's, I remember that US-1 was right up against the terminal.

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Hobby (HOU)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:27 am

If you'd like to see fascinating stuff on Houston Hobby's (HOU / KHOU), USA - Texas">HOU) old terminal, see:

http://www.1940airterminal.org

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jsnww81
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RE: Old Airport Terminals?

Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:55 am

One of my earlier posts referred to the old Nashville terminal, across the runways from the current facility... anyone remember that?

Tom, like always, I'd love to see your FLL photos if you've got them scanned.  Smile

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