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Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:34 pm

Who will be potential customers ? tour operators older 757 operators ?



Seems like a good aircraft to me, if weaknesses of 737-900 (range/weight restrictions) are solved.

Does it fill a niche inbetween A321 & 757 ?

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:56 pm

Take a look at any airline that operates the 737 and you have a potential customer. I make sense to stick to an aircraft type you already operate.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:06 pm

Which airlines who will take chance orders on that B737-900X aircraft? If they said so about need additional more newest fleet on the B739X aircraft. Also, I do think this very good miles need more range 2,770 miles need nonstop. What is plans do next airlines had on the orders? Well, catch ya later!
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:23 pm

I see one mistake with the comparsion chart at the topic's opening thread. It says that the -900X can fly a longer distance than the -900 on the same amount of fuel. Nope, I don't think so...not with more passengers & at a higher gross weight. Sure it can probably be done with the optional tanks added, but I'm sure all these numbers are under ideal conditions. Anyway, to give my two cents on the original query, the basic 737-900 is the rival aircraft to the A321. The -900X was designed mainly for the charters/tours operators. But I can also see AS, ATA and perhaps even WN taking a hard look at this new version...probably to be called the -1000 series when approved for production. Regards.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:24 pm

I think the most orders for it will come from European Charter Airlines.

A possible customer could be the TUI airlines. Especially Hapag-Lloyd and Britannia.

Sometime this year they want to decide a new order including all TUI airlines.
So there could be an order for the 737-900X and new 767s. But they also can go for an all Airbus order.

Time will tell.

 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:18 am

I think Boeing is studying it as a replacement of the 757 for next decade. The 757 will be an old plane in 10 years from now. I wouldn't be surprised if Continental orders it, because they currently operate a bunch of 737-800's and 900's as well as a bunch of 757's, they have decided they would go all Boeing for ever and they seem to be very focused on the Boeing 737. Will the FAA approve it for ETOPS flights? That's another question. I see Continental using it on nonstop transcon flights from Newark to the West Coast even if it is not approved for ETOPS flights, but if it is, Continental can use it on flights from Houston to South America, Hawaai (I'm not too sure about Houston-Honolulu nonstop) or Alaska. It's subsidiary Continental Micronesia would have to have it ETOPS certified because all of their flights are overwater. I imagine that in airline schedules the aircraft will be designated as 73X.

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:28 am

"Does it fill a niche inbetween A321 & 757 ?"

It will fill the niche between the 737-800 and the 757 I belive. Maybe a good replacement for the 757-200 on a lot of routes, because of commonality with 737 and lower operating costs than the 752
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:02 am

The 757 will be an old plane in 10 years from now.

Umm, and the 737 is how old?

I still think when the 7E7 gets going, or maybe even when the 739X is launched, there will be serious study on a 757NG. It's really the only model in Boeing's line that hasn't had a serious makeover, other than the -300, in it's lifetime.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:12 am

I think the addition of winglets will allow for the extra range on the -900X.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:46 am

In a meeting with senior management last month, AS confirmed they are actively talking to Boeing about the 737-900X. They are VERY interested in it.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:49 am

Why would AS need it?
For the range enhancement? Cargo increase?

They certainly don't need it for the pax capacity...they don't fly their -900's anywhere near the 189 capacity now....
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:55 am

Britannia/Hapag Lloyd may buy some. It has winglets, so it can fly further and it can carry more people, even though it carries the same amount of fuel  Yeah sure.

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Boeing 737-900X Launch

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:57 am

I am confused, Boeing seems to be stretching the 737 and it seems to be pushing into the 757 market. Is Boeing planning on eliminating the 757 from production?

I assume then, if the 737-900X would be able to fly from the West Coast to Hawaii, perhaps Hawaii to Japan?

What would be the market?

I am curious about this "new" 737 plane.

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:01 am

Don't think boeing will eliminate the 757 from the market (Or I sure hope they don't). I just think this is another part of the rivalry between Airbus and Boeing because on their website it says:

" . . . and would compete directly with the Airbus A321."

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:09 am

West US Coast to Hawaii yes... Hawaii to Japan no... that would even be a stretch for a 757-200.

I could see both AS and CO being likely customers. As Alaska builds up long hauls from SEA, ANC and PDX some of these routes are going to warrant more pax than a 737-700 can carry. The -900X would certainly have the legs to carry a full load on the long flights from Florida and the north east. As well as more leisure oriented flights deeper into Mexico. Likewise Continental could use them from EWR to the west coast freeing up international configured 757s. OR they could put BF seats in the -900X and run a EWR based premium transcon service... again freeing up international configured 757s.

Basically any major operator of the 737 is a customer... whether they need the range or the capacity.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:18 am

They certainly don't need it for the pax capacity...they don't fly their -900's anywhere near the 189 capacity now....

I beg to differ. Per Boeing's website, the -900's capacity of 189 passenger is when carriers run it in a one class configuration, and AS operates with both a First Class and Coach cabin.

The usual load for this configuration would be 177 passengers. AS opted for extra seats in First Class, making less room for coach seats. The end result is a configuration of 16 in First Class, 156 in Coach, or 172 total.

And I can assure you that AS regularly sells the whole thing out in the various markets the -900 is operated in. The only "Achilles Heel" for this plane is the range, which needs to be a bit longer. The -900X program will solve that problem, and add capacity as well.

AS remains highly interested in this program.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:25 am

The 900X makes sense just for being attractive to carriers that want a higher capacity transcon-capable machine. Add in the IT operators that want the higher capacity, and it should do well.

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:35 am

Eminent? The launch of the 737-900X is going to be a prominent event? I think you mean imminent.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:45 am


With the addition of this 900X the 737Ng family can effectibly go head to head with Airbus's 32X family.

From Airliners.net Aircraft Data and History section the 321 can carry up 220 and the range with 2630nm /4907km. I dont see why Boeing just cant give the 900X 225 max pax and as range of 3000nm and call that george.
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Boeing 737-900X Launch Imminent

Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:01 am

With this new aircraft, is Alaska thinking expansion to the Hawaiian islands?

Would they even want to expand?

It would seem that Alaska could use these aircrafts to fly further south to Central American countries?

It is interesting that Boeing is designing and announcing new aircraft almost monthly.

Just reading from Airliners.net, Boeing is trying to find a direction, while Airbus already has a plan for the future.

I like Boeing planes, hopefully they can find the right plan and start to regain some momentum.

Is the future of Boeing 737, 7E7 and the 777?

Just curious.

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:28 am

This aircraft definately strengthens the 737 family against the A32X family. One does have to wonder though what is going to happen to the 757. It seems that the 737-900X will pretty much fit its niche. That being said, maybe Boeing is going to redo the 757 so it's a step above the 737 family but below the 7E7? If a 757NG was to have a common flight deck with the 7E7, then maybe it would help sales?
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:35 am

This bird seems more an IGW concept than an -ER one..... 3,188mi range is not enough to cross the Atlantic; even BOS-SNN would be a roundtrip stretch for this aircraft. Because of that, it's still not on equal footing to the 752ET.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:03 am

No airline yet dared to put the full legal capacity 189 pax into a 739. Now they propose - with added exits - to stretch that limit even further to almost A321 teoretical capacity.

What a non-event! That's the closest thing to real cattle transport.

Nobody dared yet to fill a 321 to capacity. And then this 739X bird - 8 feet shorter and 7 inches narrower - is proposed to expand beyond the 189 limit into the never used, teoretical 321 pax capacity.

That could be OK for a week-end tour for a kindergarden. If airlines really think that they can make business with such equipment, then they will be sold. But they will have to do business without me as passenger.

And BTW, calling a plane with so much less floor space a direct 321 competitor, that is really stretching "marketing information".

Boeing should instead save the weight and cost of extra exits, stick to the 189 pax limit, stretch the fuselage so is can really accommodate 189 adult pax, beaf up the structure for increased range, and that way produce a comfortable and economic medium range, medium capacity plane. That would be a winner.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:18 am

A little off topic... I am going to see my first -900 today, today AS starts using their -900 instead of the -700... oh well, I am excited at least...  Big thumbs up
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:47 am

The point of a 737-900X would be to appeal to European tour operators, maybe with some success.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:56 am

EA AS CO.....you're reply is confusting.
The 900X is the same length....it only carries more in a single class config--not in one that CO or AS would ever use. So they would purchase the aircraft only for the add'l range.

Actually, CO has the more logical config--with a mid cabin lav.

If AS needed more seat in their current 900's--they would simply reduce seat pitch.

The 900x will actually make them lose seats in their current config--one seat each will likely be lost in the new emergency row.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:12 am

What a non-event! That's the closest thing to real cattle transport.

Agreed, unfortunately however, this is the way that the industry is going. When people are complaining that they had to spend 20 pounds for a 4hr flight and they didnt even get a meal, they are going to find themselves in the cargo hold for these prices

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737-900s-Greg

Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:15 am

Actually Greg-the reason the planes would carry more is the addition of additional emergency exits-hence the reason why it is not a simple matter of reducing pitch to fit more seats in.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 9:59 am

EA AS CO.....you're reply is confusting.

Greg...what exactly was "confusting" about my reply?

You said AS doesn't carry 189 on their planes. My reply was that they can't, because you can only take 189 people if all the seats are coach seats.

AS has both First Class and Coach seats. Since First Class seats take up much more room than coach ones do, the tradeoff means for every two First Class seats you install, you lose one coach seat.

Therefore, there is no way AS could carry 189 people on their planes currently.

They carry 16 up front, and 156 in the back.

My second part of my reply was to point out that AS routinely sells every single one of those 172 seats on their -900 flights. This counters your claim that they don't need additional passenger capacity.

On many popular flights, AS could even fill up a 757-300! They just don't have the desire to add a wholly new fleet type, though. That's where the -900X comes in.

You essentially get 757 passenger loads with 737 economics.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:29 am

EA CO AS,
The B737-900X is exactly the same length as the B737-900.

For that reason the B737-900X will only allow you to carry more passengers than the B737-900 if it is configured for all economy seating. So there would never really be any reason for Alaska Airlines, or any other carrier operating anything other than a high-density layout to order it. It would not carry any more passengers in AS configuration than the B737-900, but with the extra weight and complexity of the additional emergency exits.

The B737-900X addresses the problem with the -900, that it has space for over 200 seats in a high density layout but it is limited to a leagal maximum of 189 seats due to the number of emergency exits it has. The -900X is a direct response by Boeing to make the aircraft appeal to charter/low-fare airlines.

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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:30 am

Hmmm , Emirates will definately not buy a narrowbody . It will be interesting to see the number of airlines interested in this aircraft . Probably the airlines that are already flying the -900 .


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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:37 am

Wasn't there a post on the 737 & Emirates a while back? I highly doubt they would order the aircraft, but something makes me want to say that they were looking at it.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:41 am

The B737-900X is exactly the same length as the B737-900

Yes, I know. If you re-read my posts, you'll notice I never said the -900X was longer.

Alaska's main concern with the -900 is range, but if they could add seats to it (the aforementioned article mentioned the -900X could take more coach seats thanks to a new flat aft pressure bulkhead), they certainly wouldn't complain.

Again, you'd be looking at 757 loads with 737 economics.
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:50 am

Speaking of the new exit, will this door be like the old "hat-racks" we used to have on the 707s, slide-equipped and all, or will it be a full-size exit like the existing four doors? Or some new concept? If anyone could shed some light on that, it would be appreciated.

Potential customers would more than likely be Ryanair (possibly conversions from their massive 738 order), TUI, and possibly Alaska here in the US. At Continental, our needs are fit pretty well with the current 739 model. More capacity and range would bring you into our 757 fleet, which is fairly large and relatively new.
 
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RE: Boeing 737-900X Launch Eminent?

Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:08 pm

Actually, I believe Ryanair, as well as various IT operators, are currently operating their -800's with 189 seats (31" coach pitch).

Southwest would need the -900 to seat 189 at their typically 33.25" pitch in coach. They would also fall into the -900X for range.

Which leads to questions of a -900ER: without the extra exits (which I assume add more weight) but with the winglets, etc., for the range CO and AS, and maybe WN would like.

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