Dash8King
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New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:32 am

Hi I posted this in the Non-Aviation forum last night by accident and I guess it rightfully got deleted. Anyways now when you look at fares on AC's website it includes all taxes and fees. I applaud them for doing this and I hope Westjet does the same soon but I doubt that very much.
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:46 am

Yes, this is great.

What I hate is when airlines, and Air Canada does this all the time, advertise a fare in the paper and print the one-way fare and then in the fine print tell you that have to buy a roundtrip ticket. Don't make me do the math. If I have to buy a roundtrip ticket, give me the roundtrip price.

 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:48 am

Yep that gets on a lot of peoples nerves and I believe they got in trouble for that and told not to do that anymore.
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:14 am

It was on CBC News today:

Airfare advertising to be clearer

Collenette also said he would introduce measures to improve the transparency of airfares, saying airlines would have to better indicate the total fare in their advertising. Surcharges, which can sometimes more than double a ticket's cost, are now excluded from advertised fares.

The plan would also make it illegal for air carriers to advertise one-way ticket prices when only return tickets are available.

Ottawa has rejected suggestions that it open Canadian skies to more foreign competition – at least right now. "This option deserves close scrutiny," the report says.

"In the government's view, however, now is not the appropriate time to undertake this step. The harsh realities of the current marketplace indicate that the primary effect of making such a significant change would be to weaken an already vulnerable industry."


Wow, that was fast, I'm impressed.

Grégoire
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:25 am

Collenette keeps changing his mind on what is appropriate or not. There was a great thread that didn't get much attention alluding to this fact yesterday.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1032879/6/

This is a positive step Air Canada is taking. To be honest, I didn't know it was any different. However, when I was looking at their hot deals, they still had the special price, and then the fine print still said that it excludes taxes, fees, blah blah blah. I'll be happy when I can see an advertised price that is actually equal to what I have to pay. And as for Collenette, why the hell wasn't he canned in the cabinet shuffle last year???? Then he can go home and play with his model trains and let somebody with an understanding take over. Too bad there isn't anybody in Canadian politics who does understand.
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:15 pm

Well, I like things the way they are. Airlines don't control the navcan fees, the airport improvement fees, the taxes......hence they should be extra.

By including it in the price, these surcharges and taxes get hidden.

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Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:22 pm

I disagree Neil. It's still part of the cost of doing business, and the airlines are responsible for that. The price of an airline ticket should be just that, the airline ticket. The airline can educate the passengers however they want, and they can outline in a formal pricing structure some of the charges such as NavCan. That way the passenger knows. It's unfair to see an advertised price grow uncontrollably into something completely different. When I buy a chocolate bar, I don't pay surcharges for fuel, shipping or stocking of the item. I pay the price, plus tax.
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:33 pm

I want people to question the $60 navcan fee every time they see it.....this way political pressure can remain on navcan.

I also want people to see the airport improvement fees so they can protest to the airport authority (not the airline) if they think it's too high.

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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:47 pm

Air Canada shows you the taxes on the final page before booking and then adds it to the total advertised fare.
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:49 pm

You and I as consumers probably have less power than the airlines do with respect to pressuring the government. Regardless, the government wont listen. But I think if the airline had to swallow the costs more directly, and their advertised prices were forced to be higher (no more $69 special prices ... I love using $69 as an example:D ) then the lowest possible airfares the airlines could advertise would be more like $150.
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:19 am

If the taxes and fees are optional (I don't have to pay them if I don't want to) or if they are different in various places (such as the AIF) then list them seperately.

If I have to pay them, and can't do anything about them, then they should be buried in the ticket price. After all you don't see the ticket price broken down into man-hours, maintenance, meals, overtime, cleaning, office rental etc.

 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:55 am

What I find hilarious is that that retard of a Transport Minister Collenette is forcing the airlines to publish added taxes and fees that are, for the most part, charged by his government!

Longing for a return to tory government...
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:22 am

Now he wants to start a toll for people in Toronto and Montreal to get into the downtown core of those cities.
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:37 am

This idea is supposed to start in London England, where motorists would have to pay a fee to drive in downtown London. I was amazed how quickly this idea was being embraced in Toronto's City Hall. I don't live downtown (sorry, can't afford $1,000,000 for a nice house and don't want to live in a 2X2 property), but hope if this is implemented, that the cost isn't unreasonable. As far as I know, the idea isn't very popular right now with the government, but I'm sure that will change soon.
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:46 am

Clarification..
The CAD30 surcharge which is added to the base fare for each direction is actually
CAD15 fuel surcharge;
CAD12 NAVCAN fee;
CAD3 insurance surchage
 
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:49 am

Now he wants to start a toll for people in Toronto and Montreal to get into the downtown core of those cities.

This idea is VERY popular with my fellow downtown residents. We're tired of our roads being clogged by suburbanites (who we already support thru our taxes) visiting the "big city".



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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:55 am

As far as I know, this toll is exempt for the 416 area code people (downtown people), so it would only apply to everybody else. I agree that traffic downtown is rediculous, but this wont help, it's just a tax grab.
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RE: New AC Website Layout(No More Hidden Fees)

Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:02 am

This tax grab (if it happens) will help fund road maintenance and public transit. The City of Toronto has to fund a large part of highway/road mx itself (despite studies showing most Gardiner travellers are 905'ers) and the TTC (the only unsubsidized public transit system in Canada).

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