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Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Tue Dec 22, 1998 1:16 pm

Does anybody know when Northwest Airlines will start to retire there DC-9, DC-10, 727-200 and older 747 aircraft. Northwest Airlines has the oldest fleet of aircraft in the U.S or one of the oldest in the world probally.

Northwest Airlines does have over 80 aircraft on order from Boeing and Airbus. NWA has the 747-400, 757-200, a319 and a320 on order. But one thing I don't get is that they are going to get more old DC-10 aircraft from another airline. I don't see why Northwest Airlines wants to order older aircraft. If they want more DC-10 aircraft they should order new Boeing MD-11 aircraft and it will help save the MD-11.

I think Northwest Airlines should replace the DC-9 with the A318 and replace the 727-200 with the a319 and a320 aircraft, which is what they are probally already doing. I think they should replace there old DC-10 aircraft with new A330-300 or MD-11 aircraft. Some of the a319, a320, a330 and 757 aircraft Northwest Airlines has on order will replace there 727-200 and DC-9 and DC-10 aircraft but Northwest Airlines says they are going to keep some of there DC-10 aircraft. I think Northwest Airlines should be an all Airbus Fleet except for the 747-400 and MD-80.

Northwest Airlines currently has the 727-200, 747-100, 747-200, 747-400, 757-200, A319, A320, DC-9, DC-10 and MD-80 in it's fleet. I think Northwest Airlines could be one of the best airlines in the world but it's aircraft is just too old. I love Northwest Airlines livery too.

What do you think Northwest Airlines should do with it's aircraft espically with the DC-10.
 
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RE: Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Tue Dec 22, 1998 1:35 pm

I THINK NORTHWEST SHOULD BUY THE MD-11 IN STEAD OF THE DC-10. I THINK THEY SHOULD FORGET HUSH KITTING THE DC-9 AND BUY NEW PLANES LIKE ALL THE OTHER AIRLINES. BUYING OLD DC-10 AIRCRAFT WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO MORE MONEY BEING WATED. IT IS NOT ECONOMIC AND IS AGING WHICH REQUIRES MORE COSTLY MAINTNANCE. I THINK THEIR DO0MESTIC FLEET SHOULD HAVE THE AIRBUS FOR SINGLE AISLE AND AL BOEING FOR WIDE BODY. I DONT LIKE AIRBUS BUT IT SEEMS TO FIT NORTHWEST NICELY. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THEIR FLEET

SINGLE AISLE
A318
A319
A320
A321
MD-80

WIDE BODY
767-300ER
767-400
777-200IGW
747-400

THIS WOULD PUT NORTHWEST IN A BETTER POSITON FLEET WISE
I THINK NORTHWEST COULD REAALY PROSPER. MAYBE THIS NEW ALLIANCE WITH CONTINENTAL WILL HEAD THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
 
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RE: YOUR RIGHT : )

Tue Dec 22, 1998 1:36 pm

your right. I like your Airbus philosophy.
 
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RE: Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Tue Dec 22, 1998 2:01 pm

They are allready putting some of the older nine out to pasture. At least on was donated to a mechanics school in Their River Fall MN. The plan for the older 30-50 series is to replace them with RJ-70's and have Mesaba flying them. They all allready doning that on some route.
I'm not personally a big Airbus fan but they have been operating them for some time up there and the A-319/A-320 combo would be a good replacement for the MD-80 and 727(sic) Airbus really donsn't have a good late model family member that could replace the 757 so the 321 is still a smaller aircraft and the 330 is way bigger.

I would probably guess that the purchase of all of those DC-10s are to keep the requirement to retrain new crews and keep the parts costs to a mininums. I remember hearing that they wanted to renews the short haul fleet then work on the widebodys.

As much as it pains me to write this I think the make up of NW should be.

A-319
A-320
B-757
A330-DC10/B747 100/200 replacement
A340-B747 200replacement longer routes
B-747-400
 
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RE: Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Tue Dec 22, 1998 3:52 pm

I think the Northwest fleet should be like this:

747-400
757-200

A318
A319
A320
A330
 
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RE: Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Tue Dec 22, 1998 11:59 pm

Several of you have suggested the A318 to replace DC-9s. As a shrink of an existing design the A318 will be very efficient on long thin routes but will not be very efficient on the short hub & spoke routes that Northwest uses the DC-9s on.

The best choices would be to replace DC9-10 series (a couple of which have exceeded 100,000 cycles) aircraft with RJs from Mesaba and replace DC9-30 aircraft with 717s.

However, Northwest buy buying used DC-10s and a article I read somewhere that said they planned to fly the DC-9s for 10 to 15 more years, indicates that they have no interest in replacing older aircraft.

TAD
 
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RE: Northwest Airlines Old Aircraft

Wed Dec 23, 1998 12:32 am

Even though I don't care for Northwest's cabin service, I do like their fleet. I hate to see the aircraft I have flown on and loved for years just disappear to the scrap heap. I still like to fly on a DC-9-10 or a DC-10. Northwest is one of the most financially successful airlines in recent years, so they must know what they are doing. I'm sure the DC-10s they are acquiring are being bought at bargain basement prices, which should offset the increased maintenance costs. And I know that airliners have an almost unlimited lifetime as long as they are maintained properly. Look at the DC-3s that are still flying. Some passengers don't know the aircraft are old. Two businessmen sitting next to me on a Northwest DC-9 with the new space age interior were commenting on how nice and new the aircraft was. If they only knew it was one of Eastern's first DC-9-31s.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA

Fly Eastern's Golden Falcon DC-7B
 
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NWA's Fleet

Wed Dec 23, 1998 4:38 am

I don't think NWA needs to go on any significant buying spree. The DC-9s are completely airworthy and safe. Please don't let "Dateline NBC (sic)" or similiar influence your impressions of an aircraft. On the other hand, fleet standardization would be ideal since 1) NW has substantial trouble with their unions 2) and a reduced inventory of spares, etc.

Maybe: DC-9s/757s/A318-20/A330s/747-400

Ah hell, who knows. I still like NWA no matter what they do.
 
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RE: NWA's Fleet

Wed Dec 23, 1998 10:28 am

NWA will most likely not buy the A318 because it does not operate well in a hub type system that NWA has. The 717 is a better choice for replacing their DC-9s. As for their DC-10s, LEAVE THE OLD WORK HORSES ALONE. Enough said.
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