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Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:07 am

According to Justplanes.com, Aer Lingus could order up to 25 737NG's, to replace their A320's, 321's, and older 737's. The question is why are they considering this order, if their A320's and 321's are as good as new and they were almost an all Airbus fleet???

I think it's great that we could see new generation 737's on Aer Lingus colours. But as far as I know, finances are not good at this airline...

So, any thoughts on why might they be ordering the planes???

The only thing I could think of, was the possibility to start a low cost airline to compete with Ryanair and Easyjet... Or itself become a low fare airline???

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 5:09 am

Hmmm, launch customer for the 737-900X maybe?
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 7:21 am

Would be great to see another european scheduled airline go for the 737NG. It does get a little boring here with all those A320 fleets... Well both are great aircraft after all.

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:19 am

The question is why are they considering this order, if their A320's and 321's are as good as new and they were almost an all Airbus fleet???

Why is it that when Boeing [potentially] overthrows a relatively new order, based solely on techincal merit and price (which is usually the case), it's view with scrutiny and scorn; yet when Airbus does the exact same thing, it's lauded as some sort of breakthrough?

Can one of you Airbusphiles explain this to me please?
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:47 am

Hello,


Can one of you Airbusphiles explain this to me please?

That's not the case ConcordeBoy. It would be surprising to see an airline switch from A32X to 737NG, as would be for an airline switching from 737NG to A32X -- at standard price conditions. That's it.



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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:11 am

There has already been a long post having this same discussion. With this now being reported, there is even more smoke coming from a fire at Aer Lingus! There are several factors that could or are playing a role in this decision.

1. Aer Lingus is partners with American Airlines. Currently AA has 737-800s on order that it really doesn't want to take on. So, we have a Qantas deal all over again. Aer Lingus will take the 737-800s that AA can't take on right now. Overall its a bargain for everyone involved. Boeing sells 737-800s to a new customer and therefore becomes it's supplier, American gets rid of contract obligations for aircraft it can't accept, and Aer Lingus gets brand new aircraft.

2. Aer Lingus wants a homogenious fleet. While they are/were working towards that with the A32X, they never completed the movement. Boeing's used aircraft division is able to take in the hoge poge fleet easier than Airbus's. Therefore, EI gets rid of its current mess and in its place gets shiny new 738s!

This order is supposedly going to be announced this week.
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:56 am

Aren't most or all of the Aer Lingus A32X aircraft leased, likely at expensive pre-9/11 rates, and maybe this proposed deal is a way to save some money at a difficult time in the airlines finanical history. As pointed out above, this may be a way for Boeing to place 737NGs that AA is not in a position to take, and create a good deal not only for Aer Lingus, but for American and Boeing as well. Also, as stated, Aer Lingus still flies a good number of 735s, which are important for its thinner European routes, and cannot support A320 service, this way Aer Lingus, can again go with one short/medium haul type, being the B737 family.

Even in these challenging times, Aer Lingus' A32X fleet should have no problem finding a new home with other carriers.

It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:17 am

Lets not forget the value of the dollar has dropped significantly, along with the value of aircraft. Boeing could well now have a significant price advantage over Airbus compared to last year.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:25 am

CX747:

I like and understand your point of view. It's very logic, though I still can't understand if they have few 737's on their fleet, getting rid of the A32X family would surely cost a lot.

I understand the move from American and all, but I still think that the overall price would be higher if they get new 737's instead of keeping the A32X family.

But, I still like the idea!

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:16 am

I gonna missed Aer lingus's A320/A321 . They are excellent aircraft and its a pity they are going . I hope they buy more A330s for their long haul flights .


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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:39 am

If this becomes reality, it will be interesting to see the next step. One point that was never raised in the discussions CX747 mentioned (I was patiently waiting for someone to bring it up, but it never was) is the fact that when Aer Lingus first disclosed that they were looking to standardize on either an all-A32X or all-737NG fleet, they also mentioned that the winner would become their 'preferred supplier' and eventually supply their long-haul fleet as well. At the time, I assumed this meant that Airbus had the order in the bag, as Aer Lingus is a A330 (both -200 & -300) operator, and apparently very happy with them. However, if they do indeed order 737NGs (which at this point I still consider just a rumor), it quite possibly could mean a 777/7E7 order in the next year or two.

As always, only time will tell.

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:50 am

A 777 in EI colors!!! My oh my that would look awesome!!!!
The 737NG would be great for EI!


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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:02 pm

Yes, unfortunately as always time will tell! To have the power to be a fly on the wall in these meetings! Just a few thoughts

EI only has 4 A320s and 6 A321s. That is not a large fleet and if you can replace all of your current misfits with one standard aircraft for a decent price then you go for it. In fact, EI has more 737s on the books than Airbus.

I too wonder what is going to happen to the A330s in the fleet. With Boeing potentially flexing it's muscle in the fleet, one has to guess that they will want the whole kitten caboodle. From what I have heard, the 7E7 is going to put the A330 to shame and is all around a fantastic design so far. Yes, it is only a paper airplane, but if EI sees the same thing......

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:52 pm

This is interesting. It would be great to see some 73NGs in Aer Lingus colors. However, what about the A330s? If all those A32Xs go, being replaced by Boeings, then the A330s will be the only Airbuses in the fleet. Sort of an "ugly duckling" if you will. But 7E7 is still years away. So I assume the 330s will stay for a while. Kinda like AA's A300s perhaps.

What can I say, I'm surprised. I though Aer Lingus had settled on Airbus. Does Ryanair's order for 738s have anything to do with this?

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:14 pm

despite all the often-overblown emphasis on cockpit/parts commonality... many of you are forgetting that the A330 and 777 have proven very compatible with each other from an operational standpoint; and as such, many airlines have chosen to operate them side-by-side, some even instead of A330 & A340 side-by-side.

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 2:20 pm

Looking at the A330 fleet, there are only 7 birds. 3 of them are leased from ILFC. This is extreme speculation, but EI could always drop those leases for 777-200ERs and sell the remaining birds to a carrier like MAS.
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:46 pm

I think the 777 would be waaaayyy to big for Aer Lingus needs.
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 7:01 pm

yeah i agree i think a 777 might be a bit big for their needs, maybe a few 764s if anything. But then again they did have 747s a while ago Big grin. I actually think that the 330s are great for EI, but then again what do i know :P
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:05 pm

Remember, the A330-300s EI has are the low-MTOW versions. The Boeing 777 might be big from a weight standpoint, but passenger capacity are almost the same. Would love to see a Boeing 777 or 737-800 in EI colours.

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:00 pm

It's amazing how well the different product lines can actually compete.
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:12 pm

I must say that I was pleasantly surprise the first time I heard this news!! Way to go Boeing!!!!
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:09 am

Please note that this is not news, merely speculation to try and up the fight and the interest.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:19 pm

Please note that this is not news, merely speculation to try and up the fight and the interest.

Exactly...
Lets just wait and see.

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RE: Aer Lingus Order For NG 737's?

Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:56 am

IF this is true, it must mean that Aer Lingus are intending to drop LCY from their network.

This would be because you can't get a A32X or 737 in there.

Are they planning a replacement in order to keep LCY? An Embraer in EI colours.... now that I would love to see. Beautiful.

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