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JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:45 am

Just wondering what the latest news is with JetBlue's future orders.

Weren't they considering the A321?

Are they still recieving A320s on a steady basis? How many?
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:14 am

They are/were pressuring Airbus to build the A320.5 with two more seat rows (to get it up to 738 size). So far, the response has been very cool.

It is my understanding they are sticking with only the 320...which apparently is only 'slightly' smaller in capacity than they would like.

My information is soley based on articles and interviews I've read about the carrier. No insider info.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:17 am

B6 are receiving 2 A320's per month to my current knowledge, but that is old information (has to be a few months old), so maybe someone can update us on that. B6 wants Airbus to research what is known as the A320-500 series. The aircraft will basically be a lengthened A320. I think their point of view in this is that they do not want the capacity of the A320, but rather something with a few more seats and more range than an A320-200. More range? This is something that has posed a question in my mind too as they are able to complete JFK-LGB and SEA which is a pretty long haul for an A320. The only reasoning I could see in giving it extended range is that less stress would be put on the aircraft in that you can distibute the fuel to another tank within the aircraft instead of having the wings full to the brim, and if needed can extend their routes to some destinations in Canada and Mexico. I haven't heard anything on this issue as of recent though.

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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:40 am

I asked about the A320.5 a few months ago on A.net and got a response saying that Airbus has formally said they will not build it, especially for just one airline. I didn't know Jetblue wanted increased range though. . .makes sense I guess.
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:25 am

I hadn't heard anything about increased range... the A320 already has industry leading range for that size class and I bet increasing it would be a little on the tough side.

Its not like jetBlue wants 150 of these new A320.5s, I bet they just want a handful. Airbus is staying the right course with this one.

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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 4:43 am

JetBlue currently operates 40 A320s, and by year-end the fleet will grow to 52. Total firm orders currently stand at 78, all A320s.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:10 am

Why not take a page out of Easyjet's book and take out a lav so you can fit an extra few rows? Airbus does need to develop an aircraft that bridges the capacity gap between the A320 and the A321; Boeing has nearly got the gap between the 737 and the 757-200 bridged with the 737-900. I think there would be a broader market for the A320-500, not only from exsisting A320 customers, but also from A319 customers as well.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:26 am

I think once Airbus gets to developing a "NG" version of the A320 in some years (probably after the development of the A380 has finished in the last third of this decade), they'll make the A320 a bit bigger, probably up to the capacity of the B738. Until then, I doubt Airbus will move. After all, there currently is no need to come up with something new.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:05 am

Hold it right there. Isn't the seating capacity of the A320 and 737-800 almost identical based on the standard Airbus and Boeing suggested seating configurations for these planes?

I still think B6 will likely order the higher MTOW A321 due to the fact they could use the larger plane on the JFK-FLL and JFK-LGB routes.
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:11 am

No, the 737-800 seats about 20 more in a standard 2-class configuration.
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:07 pm

I was talking to an Airbus lobbyist in DC and asked him if they would consider making the A320.5 jetBlue has mentioned. He just replied "It depends on how many they are talking about." I would be suprised to see it actually happen though. But that is the least on my mind, I have a job interview with them on Monday  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: JetBlue's Future A32X Orders

Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:14 pm

I suspect that two other reasons for not building the A320.5 in come in to play.

1. Airbus knows that Jetblue is pretty much locked in to the A320 series. Even Jetblue's orders for A320.5 will likely only come at the expense of the A320.

2.Airbus likely payed a considerable price to lock JetBlue in, by taking less of a profit per plane. They don't want to waste this money.

This is like Airtran and the 717-300. The main reason the 717-300 may be built and the 320.5 probably won't is that Airtran can credibly threaten to go to a competitor. And, as has been mentioned before, only Jetblue seems to want the 320.5 while there are many airlines who may order the 717 just because the -300 is available.

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