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Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:46 pm

As of May, Continental flight 7 will operate New Orleans to Houston to Tokyo. MSY-IAH will be a 757-300, then the classic 777 to Tokyo, I think this is the first ever "direct" MSY-Japan service, and even though a change of plane will be required, it is still pretty nice to see.  Smile And it will be great to welcome the 753 back to the bayou.

Steve in New Orleans
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:48 pm

Interesting scenario. Why a 757 -300 on such a short flight, though? Does MSY-IAH have that kind of a load?

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:52 pm

Continental does many of these flights.

They do DEN-LGW "direct" with a change of planes in EWR........

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:54 pm

I don't see why a direct flight like this is even worth mentioning. Its a different flight all together, just carries through the same flight number. Good for booking and all, but otherwise, two totally and essentially unrelated flights.
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:08 pm



What would happen if the first "leg" of the flight were cancelled or delayed? Is there any difference in an airline's policy for these change-of-equipment flights? Or would it be the same as a flight arriving too late for a connection?


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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:39 pm

Mls515, there would be no problems. The aircraft are different, which, correct me if I am wrong, but these flights aren't really direct. Direct would involve the same plane with a stop. These flights just carry the same flight number and I would not consider them direct flights.
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:51 pm

I believe Northwest does something like that too- NRT-LGA with a stop and change of plane at DTW.
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:08 pm

Bah, if I had a dime for every "direct" international flight scheduled from my home airport...

*grumbles*

While I'm always dissapointed that these change-of-plane direct flights don't really represent a real service enhancement to the cities from where they are scheduled, it is at least a positive development that CO is making it at least slightly easier for passengers to book travel from MSY to travel to Asia.

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:26 pm

Sadly, who cares?

I could see if they were using a Triple7 on MSY-IAH-NRT, but methinks that would be overkill in the current environment.

We've had JAL and ANA flights here 1stop via ORD for years... no real biggie. In all scenarios, a change of plane (and sometimes terminal) is involved, but there's interlined baggage and same mileage for all of them. What's the advantage of this?
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:29 pm

legality speaking, these are not direct flights, but just a sales pitch to most to make it look like the airline offers same plane service on the route. most pax are not even aware that there is a change of planes/gates until the day of travel, and then become agitated to find out that what they were sold as a direct flight, actually is just the same flight number but with the same hassles as a normal connection.
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:28 pm

Interesting scenario. Why a 757-300 on such a short flight, though?

Yes, the MSY-IAH has very good loads, but fairly low yields, and it is well suited for 753 service.
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jjbiv
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:49 pm

These flight are not direct flights; they are change of gauge flts.

joe
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 06, 2003 11:54 pm

Just about every US Airways transatlantic flight (and many Carribbean flights) continues on / from a domestic non-hub city.

For example
US 2 FLL-PHL-FCO (change of planes in PHL)
US 3 FCO-PHL-FLL (ditto)

 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:02 am

Back when I was with AA at LAX we had flight 88. It was routed LAX-ORD-BRU, however it was only a MD80 to ORD and then switched to a 763 in ORD. There were a lot of passengers that were really scared and upset at the thought of taking the MD80 transatlantic. And then when you tell them there is an equipment swap they get all upset because they thought it was really a "direct" flight. It really seems like a deliberate act to fool the passenger. I can't think of any *operational* benefits to numbering your flights in this manner....
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:16 am

The major benefit is ease in ticketing. For example, someone flying between Rio de Janeiro and Tokyo Narita on American Airlines will need to have two stops. They can be booked on three flights GIG-MIA-ORD-NRT, or booked on two GIG-MIA-NRT. Even though MIA-NRT is change of gauge (one flight number) in O'Hare, it just makes it easier to ticket.
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 10:17 am

So I guess American flies from AUS-NRT and DFW-LHR

[Edited 2003-03-07 02:19:22]
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:25 am

It's not just about ease of ticketing; I believe the "direct" flights will also show up higher in the reservations systems than the flights with explicit connections. That way, CO is more likely to get an MSY-AA), Japan">NRT passenger via IAH than AA might via DFW.
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:43 pm

Wow, I read direct service, and I was shocked. It's only a change in a diff. airport. There's tons of these. There's MSP-FRA, and MSP-FCM but they change in DTW.

Continental

THOUGH MSP DOES NEED REAL DIRECT SERVICE TO FRA!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:38 pm

Who cares!

The 757-300 is used for high density, short and medium haul flying, so it is normal to fly one from MSY to IAH.

CO probably also offers direct ABE-CDG flights!

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:39 pm

I had noticed that MIA-NRT was no longer showing up as CO 007, and this explains it.

It's actually a disadvantage for elites, because the computer considers it to be one international flight, and therefore you don't get upgraded automatically. Coming back NRT-MIA I even called from Japan to try and get myself listed for the IAH-MIA leg, but it still didn't work and I ended up sitting in coach.

Give me discrete flight numbers any day!  Smile

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:22 am

It’s a marketing scam!

Many majors offer CHG – Change of Gauge flights. American 5 is a 767-300 DFW-HNL. At one time that flight number originated from IAH as an MD-80. The Houston-DFW section has not been Flight 5 for some time now. In fact, IAH-DFW is going to Eagle (I don’t know if a mix of mainline/Eagle or all Eagle) .

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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:38 am

IAH-DFW is going to Eagle (I don’t know if a mix of mainline/Eagle or all Eagle) .

Mix. I think it is three Eagle and six M80s a day.
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RE: Continental To Offer Direct MSY-NRT Service!

Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:36 am

United does a direct LGA-SIN flight with a change of plane in ORD. NW does a direct BOS-SIN flight with a change of plane in Minneapolis.

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