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Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:09 am


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The caption reads: G-N94AD , c/n 210, del.8-76 as G-BOAD. Dual registration reflects Braniff extension service to DFW.

I thought the Concorde wasn't allowed to fly anywhere in the US but to NY - but in the 80s, it could fly to DFW? someone please explain! thanks  Smile
 
brons2
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:17 am

It can fly anywhere in the USA.....at subsonic speeds.

The DFW leg was flown subsonic. There's a good history of this on the Concorde web sites that are out there.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 11:36 am

IIRC, the subsonic leg was IAD-DFW-IAD, the extension of the trans-Atlantic service.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:17 pm

I lived in East Dallas at the time and words cannot describe the awesome feeling as that Speedbird banked and thundered over our part of town.
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aa61hvy
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:19 pm

I remember Jay Davis had a good pic of a concorde at DFW. Feel free to post it Jay.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:22 pm

I almost lost control of my car because I was on 183 heading towards the airport and I was lost in awe as this bird roared overhead to land.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:31 pm


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BA and AF concordes at MIA. I know that BA flight was routed through IAD but the Air France charter...was it direct to CDG? And was it supersonic the entire way? If so, how long would that flight to Paris take? Thanks...
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:36 pm

I migth add that the BA flight to MIA was scheduled for 8-10 years (around that I think), thrice weekly...so it wasn't some special charter or 1 year flight. I never knew its frequency nor its duration, though i do remember seeing some pics on the site... (btw this info is from a caption)
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AA61hvy

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:46 pm

I wouldn't say my slides/shots of the Concorde at DFW are worthy enough to post on Airliners.net

I took those a "long time ago", way before I had any really good camera equipment. If someone really wants me to post one, I'd be happy to e-mail a shot to them.

The Concorde used to fly into DFW back in the good ole "Braniff days" !!
The shots I got of it were when it was on an around-the-world tour and it came to DFW to pick up some people catching the tour. After that, it flew to LAS to pick up more and then it headed for HNL for their first over-night stop. The tour cost $60,000.00 per person. This was in 1994 or 95 I believe.


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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:52 pm

Yeah I remember the pic, that's how I started to talk to you back then. I emailed you an inquiry about the picture.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:55 pm

In 1979/80, AF and BA Concorde's flew from IAD to DFW, the aircraft had temporary US regs as Braniff crews (in the case of BA I think) took the aircraft on the internal US leg, so it had to be a 'US' aircraft for this part of the route.

Mach 0.95 cruise is not efficient for Concorde, also with the poor economic environment made not viable, the flight from Europe to IAD was the usual service that the airlines operated 3 times a week from 1976-1994 (in BA's case, AF may have stopped IAD sooner).
In 1976 the Port of NY had blocked Concorde flights, so IAD was the first US destination, JFK services started in November 1977.
I flew IAD-LHR on OAF in 1993, not full, hence it being axed the next year.

From 1984-91 the IAD route had an extension to MIA with BA Concordes.

So Concorde's scheduled US destinations have been IAD, JFK, DFW and MIA, many other US airports have been flown to on charters, but don't expect them back any time soon.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:32 pm

The Concorde has made appearances at DTW on several occassions mostly for NOMADS charters. I have seen Concordes from both AF and BA there.

Years ago when Concorde made its first appearance at DTW for a charter, BA flew in two concordes and close to 100,000 people showed up at DTW to view it.
 
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 3:34 am

I remember back when I was young, and my dad worked for Florida Express/ Braniff, when the Concorde came into MCO. We made a special trip on a Saturday morning to watch it take off.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 4:53 am

GDB:

You can add San Diego to that list........back in 1988 for the Air Space America 88 show.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:13 am

On the IAD-DFW-IAD sectors both BA and Air France Concordes were flown by Braniff Flight deck and Cabin crews. The aircraft libraries were changed at IAD as Braniff used their own form of checklists, which were slightly different to those used by BA and A/F. The Braniff flight deck crews were trained at both Bristol and Toulouse by staff from BA, BAE, Airfrance and Aerofomation.
Base flying training was flown on an Air France Concorde [F-BVFA] initially at Shannon, and then at Montpellier in France, with the aircraft being flown by crews from all three nations.
The training was solely subsonic,but all the Braniff crews were taken on a looksy trip across the Atlantic. Some of Braniff route training was completed on a tour of Braniff's stations in the south and south west of the USA, and Braniff originally had plans to operate charters out of DFW like the round the bay ones that BA operated ,but nothing came of it
I know that the Braniff crews loved flying the aircraft but it must have been terribly frustrating only to be allowed to fly it subsonic
Just to answer somebody question Miami- Europe was beyond Concorde non stop range with any thing like a commercial load, but I seem to remember that a BA empty Concorde did manage it once, but there again the memory could be failing. The extension to Miami from Washington was introduced because the aircraft used to overnight at IAD, so there was time to fly it to Miami where it was thought they could pick up Passengers coming from South America, but sadly the hopes never came to anything. It was very popular trip for the crews as this was before the aircraft went to Barbados, and so it was the only chance for the crews to see the sun in the winter
Concorde by the way can not operate into any USA airfield San Francisco, Lax and Boston spring to mind where it is band except in an Emergency

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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:18 am

I remeber seeing somthing the news right after the concorde crash in 2000...In the 80's the Concorde came to OAK, like on a demo flight or somthing. It was on Channel 2 and one the reporters got to ride on it.... Can anyone remeber this???

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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:26 am

Shamrock,
On the Concorde round the world charters if the itinerary called for a visit to San Francisco, then they would use Oakland, as they were banned from the main airfield due to noise [sorry forgotten it's code]

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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 6:09 am

GDB, your saying that the Concorde was actually in Cleveland! Please tell me your no talking about Cleveland,TN. But i wouldnt be supprised, shit the biggest we see in CLE is maybe an A300 not even once a day. So all i can say is wow!
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:40 am

I just took the list from the book 'The Concorde Story', it may have been quite a few years ago,
 
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:50 pm

the concorde flew to SFO in the 80's
 
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:54 pm

Only as a charter, probably part of a round the world one.
 
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:43 am

I remembered going to the Little Rock airport to see the Concorde land. I can't remember much of it since it's been a while. It might have been a part of that tour, 1994-'95 sounds right.
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RE: Concorde To DFW?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:07 pm

My mother took me out of school when I was in 2nd grade to see it in Indianapolis. They even let the public take a walk-through of the plane. I didn't get to do this as the line was very long and my mother didn't have the patience of this eager 2nd grader. I can't recall the year but mid 80's would be a good guess.

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