fly_emirates
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New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 10:51 am

I knew about this thing in other post, however i am mentioning the same subject, but from a different angle.

I heard about the new security procedures of running a background check for passengers traveling, and i tried searching for the official announcement of it, but i couldn't, so i thought maybe i post my questions here, perhaps someone can help

1- If some body have an official link for this website, or any link please send it to me or post it
2- if some one can explain to me about this new procedure in terms of
a. How is this search done
b. is it done when you purchace your ticket or when the day of travel.
c. why are they looking at the financial information
d. what if you were a non us citizen visiting the USA and traveling domestically?

any help is appreciated
 
MxCtrlr
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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 11:25 am

The web site for the TSA is http://www.tsa.gov/public/ The "Trusted Traveler" card that you are speaking of, is something that has been talked about quite a lot since 9/11. I think the agency that was pushing it was the US DOT, but I think it has now fallen to the TSA. Rest assured, they'll screw it up or make it so cumbersome to obtain a card, that it won't be worth the hassle.

What they need to do is to allow airline customers to go through the same FBI background checks that the airlines' employees have to go through to get an airport SITA ID badge. A nominal fee could be charged for this card and, with it, the traveler bypasses the hassles of security (i.e., the radiation sniff, the "random" searches, the taking the shoes off garbage, etc) but would still have to show a boarding pass and go through the metal detector. Cards would expire, and need to be renewed, annually. This is what should be done, but rest assured, the TSA will screw it up!

As far as foreign nationals, such as yourself, I do not know if this program idea was to be extended to them or not. I suspect it would not, due to security concerns and such.

They look at financial information to see if there is any links to known terrorist organizations or deep financial problems (that may be seen as a security risk), etc.

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HlywdCatft
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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:54 pm

**What they need to do is to allow airline customers to go through the same FBI background checks that the airlines' employees have to go through to get an airport SITA ID badge. A nominal fee could be charged for this card and, with it, the traveler bypasses the hassles of security (i.e., the radiation sniff, the "random" searches, the taking the shoes off garbage, etc) but would still have to show a boarding pass and go through the metal detector. Cards would expire, and need to be renewed, annually. This is what should be done, but rest assured, the TSA will screw it up**

that is a disaster waiting to happen. You would need someone checking the I.D. matching it with the person holding it. Cards could easily be stolen or a terrorist could borrow his buddies card etc.
 
747firstclass
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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 3:55 pm

Plus where would the FBI get the manpower to do all these checks? By their own admission they have a hard enough time to keep with things as they are.
Also, I heard on CNN there will be 3 categories of people. Green= can travel
Yellow=Goes through more security at the metal detector and gate etc.
Red= does not fly.
It is my understanding that when you make an airline reservation they will ask you for more detailed financial informationb etc. Possibly even social security numbers. However there are already privacy laws on the books etc. that this new plan seemingly, directly contradicts.
Another major problem would be the credit checks etc. This country is full of people, who through no fault of their own etc. lost their jobs, had major family illness and their credit report is not that good. However, they are law abiding citizens and have not been in any kind of other problems. So according to the new TSA proposals they would be declared untfit to travel as they are security risks. Give me a break!!
It would seem to me that the airline industry would lobby against some of these proposals as it would shrink the pool from which there would be eligible passengers etc.
I think that some consideration should be given to frequent flyers etc.It shows that over time these people can be trusted etc. However, it is my understanding, that TSA will not factor in that.
I think that there will be delays, court cases, etc. etc. etc. and this project will not get off the ground for a good long time. Even though they say it will be in some places up and running by years end. I sure would not bet the ranch on that one.
 
MxCtrlr
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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 4:56 pm

With the proliferation of technology, biometrics, fingerprint scanning, retinal scanning, etc, one or more of those technologies could be incorporated into the ID card, along with the scanning equipment at the airports, to make this process more secure and less suceptable to forgery. Nothing is perfect, but this makes sense.

As for manpower for the FBI to do background checks, why not have some of the people from the TSA, (since less personnel would be needed for the "random" checks and sniffing jobs), to perform these background checks? Problem solved (sort of  Yeah sure)

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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 5:05 pm

At AMS such a system is now in place and seems to be working well.
Combination of biometrics and random spot checks by security staff (the checkpoint IS under constant surveillance, they normally just don't intervene).

AMS introduced it as a service to frequent flyers so they can bypass the lines at passport check (you still need to go through the metal detector and have your bags X-rayed) only, which is what such a system is perfect for and could potentially be introduced for everyone in under 10 years as there are firm plans to include biometrics information in peoples' passports.
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AroundTheWorld
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RE: New TSA Background Check, What Is This All About?

Sun Mar 09, 2003 5:34 pm

I have always been for the type of questioning that is done at AMS. For those of you not aware, for at least every flight to the US I've been on from AMS you go through this 20 questions process with an airport security agent before being allowed in the immediate gate area. The questions are very similar to those I've been asked when going through US customs. I wonder what happens to the poor person who doesn't pass...