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Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:02 am

Hey all!!!

Does anyone have specific dates as to when QH received and then discarded their DC-10 fleet? I am curious as to when they started that service and when it ended. Also, was it just used on the Europe routes or was the DC-10 ever used on domestic service. Thanks for any help with this.

 
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:22 am

March 28, 1900: Air Florida began charter flights to Europe using and ex-Icelandair DC-10-30 (N1035F). Scheduled flights to AMS began in May, BRU in June and SNN in the fall of that year, using 3 additional aircraft leased from Transamerica.
Don't have an exact date on when the 10's were disposed of.
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:46 am

1900!!! Well that is certainly good going!!!! Hehehe  Big thumbs up Perhaps you mis-typed, was it an eight you were looking for? lol
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:56 am

If memory serves correctly, the DC-10's were in service from 1980 to 1984. Originally, we had N1035F (leased from Icelandic) and then got N101TV through N104TV, leased from Transamerica. In the end, they leased one aircraft from World (N104WA or N105WA, I believe) but I had already been laid-off by that point (second round of management layoffs).

They were used primarily for trans-Atlantic flights however, they did use them occasionally on domestic flights (in fact, the DC-10 that had an uncontained engine failure on take-off from MIA, was scheduled to fly MIA-FLL and then to points beyond domestically. Fortunately, the explosion took place prior to V1 and the take-off was aborted, thankfully. The final report showed that, as a result of the compressor blades damaging the wing, the hydraulic lines had been severed and the slats on that side had already begun to blow-back (ala the AA flight out of ORD in the late 70's).

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:14 am

1900 indeed! According to my sources, QF acquired a WayBack machine in 1979 and inaugerated MIA-Europe services in 1900. How they did this without any airports is anyone's guess  Big thumbs up

YES, that was supposed to be 1980!
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:23 am

Besides European scheduled service, I know they used the DC-10 from EWR to MIA and JFK to Santo Domingo. They also occasionally flew them from MIA-Kingston and Montego Bay. DC-10's were also used on charters from Tampa to domestic points and European charters. While the DC-10's were used from 1980-1984, I believe any domestic scheduled service was over by the beginning of 1982. Looking at an OAG from July 1982, I see no DC-10 service for Air Florida domestically. By then it was all 737's and 727's with the DC-10's used to Europe only.
 
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:13 am

OzarkD9S,

One small correction, Air Florida's two-letter code was QH, not QF.

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:46 am

The photo database concurs with the 1980-84 timeframe. The earliest photo in the database is dated Sept. 80, the latest, Feb. 84.

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:56 am

MxCtrlr,

That brings back some memories...
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR82-03.pdf

Failure was at 90 kias, V1 was 131 kias, Ransom did a great job...

To whomever was asking about QH's DC-10s, N1035F was indeed the first one, and the above NTSB report (involving N101TV) mentions that this aircraft was leased in March of 1981. Since this was the first of three sister ships (N102TV and N103TV), I presume the others came close to this March 1981 date.

Hey MxCtrlr, did you notice that the most recent 737 accident (Air Algerie) was a 737-2T4? This would have been a sister ship to N81AF, N82AF, and N83AF, had it actually been delivered to Air Florida...

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:51 am

I had the good fortune to fly on N1035F in 1983. She was a beautiful plane; Air Florida's service was excellent. N1035F went on to serve with Spantax before being sold to Federal Express, with whom she still flies as Alison.

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:43 pm

Boy I'm just FULL of misinformation today...forgive me it's the 7th day and my brain is obviously resting.... Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:43 pm

OPNLguy, yes I did notice the 2T4 designation. Quite a coincidence! I saw on the NTSB report that Ulrich was the captain. For some reason I had always remembered it as Ransom and the Reverend Father Murphy as the front enders? Oh well, shows what memory does for you. Thanks for the NTSB link!

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:42 pm

Thank you everybody...I appreciate all the info.

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RE: Air Florida DC-10s

Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:53 pm


According to Jet Airliner Production List

N1035F Leased Mar 11, 1980 returned Sept 16, 1982
N101TV Leased Mar 15, 1981 returned Oct 5, 1982
N102TV Leased Apr 15, 1981 returned May 25, 1983
N103TV Leased Dec 1, 1981 returned Oct 12, 1982
N109WA Leased Mar 25, 1983 returned July 9, 1984
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