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Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:58 am

What is the definition of an "open jaw trip"? what would some examples be.


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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:02 am

On open jaw itinerary usually means you return to your point of origin from a different city other than the destination of your first segment. For example, you fly from New York to Atlanta, and return to New York from Nashville (but you do not fly from Atlanta to Nashville).
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:05 am

Currently, I'm planning an open-jaw itinerary for a trip to Europe this September. We're taking a Danube River cruise from Budapest to Nurnberg, so we need to fly to Budapest, and back from Nurnberg.

It makes travel planning a bit more complicated... open jaw itineraries are usually more expensive.
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:06 am

It could also mean the other way. For Instance, SNA-PHX-JFK JFK-PHX-ONT

The airlines do it so that you have felxibility. They generally base it by this: you can go to any airport that is within the same radius between the two airports of the shortest leg.
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:08 am

Correct Goldenshield... I have often left out of one NYC airport and returned to another.

By the way, I noticed a typo in my first post... that should say "AN open jaw itinerary..." not "On open jaw itinerary..."
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:09 am

what is the cheapest source to book such a trip (within the usa)? Any online service or a travel agent? i checked travelocity but it seems expensive.

I was thinking of a spotting trip to south florida and then to denver, and then back home. kind of like a circle.

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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:50 am

Sometimes you can get a good deal on the open jaw trips. It requires a little bit of research. We did a trip to Russia flying into St. Petersburg and out of Moscow. Open jaws are nice because you do not have to do any backtracking if you are trying to visit several cities or countries.
 
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:15 am

Goldenshield is right; most fares won't permit combinations of different rates to permit a true "open jaw" itinerary unless the route is a legal open jaw.

To be a "legal" open jaw, the open (un-flown) leg must be shorter than either leg that is actually flown.

So for example:

LAX-SEA
PDX-LAX

This would be a legal open jaw, since the unflown SEA-PDX distance is much shorter than either the LAX-SEA or PDX-LAX flown portions. Trying to buy a ticket on this kind of route would basically end up getting you an inexpensive excursion fare.

BOS-SEA
SEA-LAS

This would not be a legal open jaw, since the unflown LAS-BOS distance is much longer than the SEA-LAS flown portion. Trying to buy a ticket on this kind of route would likely give you two one-way fares, which can be pretty spendy. The cheap excursion fares would not apply.
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Thu Mar 13, 2003 3:40 am

Trying to buy a ticket on this kind of route would likely give you two one-way fares, which can be pretty spendy. The cheap excursion fares would not apply.

Not always. I wanted to do a spotting trip to the USA and fly AMS-MIA//DEN-AMS on KLM/Northwest. What I've done is to go to travelocity and look for fares which would allowe me to and discovered that even in V-class (lowest booking class on KLM/Northwest) you're able to combine a return AMS-MIA-AMS with a AMS-DEN-AMS (what you then do is add both returns and divide by two). However you must go through the fare rules.

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My advice is to "play" with travelocity and and a few other online travel agents (using the multiple destinations feature), then look at what airline x quotes online and finally ask a travel agent. Moreover travelocity lists all the fre rules (although it can be difficult to read) and figurte aout a combination yourself (and if you can't book it online a travel agent maybe can)
 
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Thu Mar 13, 2003 4:48 am

From my days in the complex fares department of BOAC, it was often possible to include the 'unused' segment in the fare construction of an open-jaw trip, thus avoiding having to buy two one-way tickets.

From memory, we could also use 'hypothetical' points in a complex fare quote, which actually gave more mileage allowance for the fare than the actual travelled route - it was included in the fare construction, but not used!
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:57 am

Not always. I wanted to do a spotting trip to the USA and fly AMS-MIA//DEN-AMS on KLM/Northwest. What I've done is to go to travelocity and look for fares which would allowe me to and discovered that even in V-class (lowest booking class on KLM/Northwest) you're able to combine a return AMS-MIA-AMS with a AMS-DEN-AMS (what you then do is add both returns and divide by two). However you must go through the fare rules.

LJ-

If you take the time to re-read my post, you'll notice I said it would "likely" result in two one-ways, meaning it does not always happen in that manner.

But thanks for pointing out your experience, though!
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:20 am

I'd also add that flying out of one NYC airport and returning to another (and likewise Houston, LA, SF Bay, Washington, MIA/FLL, etc.) is not considered an open-jaw itinerary since EWR/LGA/JFK are considered to be "co-terminals" by most airlines -- i.e. all the same point as far as fare rules go.
 
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RE: Open Jaw Trips

Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:10 am

I had to buy a ticket on ATA from Midway-Ft.Lauderdale-Indianapolis and then fly Southwest on the final Indy-Midway leg. I had to go to Indy because the ATA flight back to Chicago was booked for the day I wanted to travel. Even their Indy-Chicago flight was booked. My trip was still economical, considering the other fares available. This was after the Orange Bowl where basically everything out of south Florida was booked up.
 
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RE: Scottb

Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:53 am

I would have agreed with you until 3 weeks ago, when I got into a "debate" with a couple of AA agents about MIA/FLL. They both claimed that MIA and FLL are not considered co-terminals by AA (I know they are by most other airlines).
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