qatarairways
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Qatar Airways To Manchester

Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:24 pm

A Qatar Airways press release from today mentioned that Qatar Airways' Manchester service which will begin in April 2 has shown high levels of bookings.

The Manchester route will likely get A330-200 service from the begining of 2004. Qatar Airways are also planning flights to Glasgow and other UK points for the future.




Here are some quotes from the CEO:

“Qatar Airways non-stop service to Manchester is about giving people a fast and convenient service into the northern regions of the UK from our hub in Doha,” said Mr Al Baker.

“People can now fly from our hub in Doha to Manchester in seven hours, and be able to enjoy the quality of Qatar Airways’ premium services."

“Since opening our bookings for the non-stop Manchester service, we have already received a high level of demand."

“Qatar Airways wants to give its customers a greater choice of destination as part of its commitment to become a leader in airline standards."

“The high level of demand that we’re seeing for Manchester indicates that we are continuing to meet our customers’ needs and expectations."




 
David_itl
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:32 pm

That's good news. Wonder what the impact has been on EK's bookings?

David
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:46 am

David_itl,

"Wonder what the impact has been on EK's bookings?"

I was hoping you would provide us with this info when you get the figures, I would suspect it would have temporary minimal impact if any at all. The good thing about MAN is that QR have achieved good bookings without the need of heavy discounting and bookings look promising. The real test is when when EK upgrade MAN into twice daily, and how the people will respond to having on one hand more frequencies, more connections, PTV's and established brand to a new comer with none of the above.

BTW can you confirm that QR will use T2?
 
DesertRat
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:24 am


More 200 GBP round trip traffic to Pakistan....Hard to make money with that stuff
 
HUYfan
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:30 am

Have'nt QR's A330s got PTVs?

I would think tah route will be daily in 6 months on the A332.

I am planning to visit my parents in May and hope to route MAN-DOH-DMM-DOH-MAN. The connection time if i were to fly via DXB with EK is 16 hours  Sad QR give me a connecting time of 1 1/2 to 2 hours, ideal!!!  Smile))))

regards

mike
 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:50 pm

HUYfan,

Yes the Qatar Airways A330-200s have PTV and because of the seat design they seem to have more legroom than the A300s in Y but the problem is that there aren't enough A330s to upgrade MAN untill 2004.

"I am planning to visit my parents in May and hope to route MAN-DOH-DMM-DOH-MAN"

If you are flying to the Gulf from MAN LH is usually cheaper but if you do fly QR a trip report would be really nice.


DesertRat,

That is why I am surprised, last year the Air Fares were crazy. QR were selling tickets for around £250 to the Gulf and parts of South Asia. The discounting now isn't as bad as last year.
 
DesertRat
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:16 am


QR has always looked at Manchester for the VFR traffic to Pakistan. Unless the business model has changed substantially, most of those passengers will be purchasing through discount consolidators. If the discounting has been reduced, I think that will only be temporary....If the UK enters into a war with Iraq, then all bets are off and I would expect the rates for all Gulf-UK markets to fall through the floor
 
fly707
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:08 am

Would it be a daily flight or weekly flight ?
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Arsenal@LHR
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:17 am

I heard MAN-DOH will start as 4-weekly, although it could be different now.
In Arsene we trust!!
 
David_itl
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:23 am

Fly707, it's 4 weekly non-stop.

QatarAirways, I've not looked at the route breakdown for a while, so this will be one of the things I'll be doing this weekend. Although I must say that it doesn't look that EK are suffering too much....next week will see 777-300s (low density version) operating every day!

Daivd
 
fly707
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:25 am

Can the new Airbus 319LR be operated on this route ?
Sure every thing will be delayed till the war on Iraq ends but it's important to plan for future .
Thanks Arsenal@LHR for clarification .
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HUYfan
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sat Mar 15, 2003 7:32 am

The last time i flew to Damman, i flew MAN-FRA-DMM-FRA-MAN with LH. Their A342 was a lovely and noticably quiet aircraft to fly in, but they lost my case on the outward leg, so have refused to fly with LH again  Sad

I must also say that i dont think FRA is a patch on Schiphol or Dubai, or even Heathrow!

Regards

Mike

 
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:02 am

DesertRat,

The Pakistani VFR market is why they are looking at BHX and GLA as well but with a look at the timing of the flights you will see that they are also looking at other connex markets as well. The LHR and CDG night arrivals arrive late night to connect with QR's late night connection bank which concentrates on South Asia while MAN has been timed to offer optimum connection times to the Gulf and the leisure markets (MLE, CMB, KTM, BKK etc...) The Pakistani VFR market will offer a great base to build up volume from the begining just like EK started with MAN. The aircraft choice (HD A300) gives it away that QR doesn't expect much premium traffic. BTW DesertRat, I believe you were with QR at somepoint, correct?

Fly707,

The A319LR could but it will be used instead to Moscow and Tripoli from July.

HUYFan,

Then give QR a go. DOH airport is small but pleasant and connections are very simple.
 
DesertRat
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RE: Qatar Airways To Manchester

Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:13 pm


QatarAirways;

I am very well acquainted with both QR and the Gulf airline industry. Despite your claims otherwise, from your level of knowledge of Mr Al Baker's airline, you are obviously either with the airline itself, the Qatari press, or a Qatari government entity. Regarding the MAN service, if you look at the average yields in the markets that you mentioned, only KTM will generate a substantial chance of profitability. The BKK, CMB and MLE flights will generate low yields due to either the high levels of one-stop competition, or the fact that the destination is a leisure market only. The MAN service will need a high load factor to simply break even

It appears that the airline is being grown on the Emirates business model. The reason that I am skeptical of this working is that at least EK has a sizable local market whereas the local Doha market is simply too small to support the expansion. Even with substantial local growth, DOH is light-years away from being able to support this level of expansion. Using EK as a model is risky. Despite published reports of profitability, EK is losing money as an operating airline. The EK group is making a profit, but that is all being driven by Dnata.

Don't misunderstand, I wish QR well, but do question the level of expansion.