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Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 9:52 am

Hi folks...
Just curious as to whether Northwest will purchase any 744s from United, while UA is under bankruptcy protection. United has 2 -451s that I think NW would love to have in their fleet, not only for compatibility but to replace a few DC-10s as well. Any thoughts from anyone on this? Regards.
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:08 am

Given that Thai picked up 7 ex-UA 744's with a low per-unit price, you have to assume that NW would do the same thing given that they are in better financial condition than UA. The oppy to add some used PW 744's to replace their 742's must be an option in NW HQ.



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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:53 am

It would be a good idea. Get a peice their Pacific route as well.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:11 pm

While I think it's a great idea, I also think it came at the wrong time.
NorthWest can't afford to buy planes! Even 744s from United at a cost of $80 million a pop. They simply don't have the cash. None of the majors do; nowadays, there are far more pressing goals than new acquisitions... like payroll.
When you are bleeding cash as fast as Northwest (and others) I don't think it's wise to spring for an opportunity as expensive as this one.
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Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:43 pm

Have you ever heard of something called financing?
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:20 pm

like NW has the money to buy anything right now.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:15 pm

I can't believe it's UA in chapter 11 and not NWA! Talk about an airline that offers consistently poor service! From this frequent flyers point of view, United tops NW in just about every category. I seem to recall hearing bad things about NW 747's....is it the pitch that is poor? Certainly, no PTV's in coach for the lonngggg haul Asia flights from DTW does not help.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:21 pm

MSYtristar, now why is NWA not in Chapter 11 while UA is..

It has been mentioned before, despite the fact that NWA's has a rather old fleet in average age, they prefer to go with fully depriciated and paid for aircraft with a new interior rather than a high lease rate new planes like many majors are doing. It is fine buying new planes but when something wrong happens and there is a major fall in demand, you will be flying brand new planes empty.

NWA might not have all the fancy product and not a very good cabin crew, they certainly do have value for the price of their ticket. This is the market they are trying to capture. And this is why NWA is not in C11 like UAL.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 9:00 pm

- "Certainly, no PTV's in coach for the lonngggg haul Asia flights from DTW does not help."

Then if they did take 747s from UA then they wouldn't have to do very much, as UA's don't have any either!  Smile

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:44 pm

Even though United may have offered better service, NWA has better management that doesn't blow their money trying to take over other airlines.

Yes I have had way better service on NW flying between DTW and ORD/MDW than I have flying UA between DTW and ORD. I thought United's service was piss poor.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:24 am

Oh geez, they never go away do they? No matter how much Northwest spends to improve it's fleet, no matter how good their on-time performance is, there will always be people who bash them. The service IS getting better. All people do is complain. If you want to complain go complain about China Airlines and their safety record, something that MATTERS.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:46 am

NWA is buying planes. Last fall they got over $800 million to finance aircraft deliveries this year and early next year for 16 A-319/320, 8 757, and 12 A-330's. Boeing has offered NWA several deals for 747-400's to include converting their -200's to freighters. With 10 747-200's to be parked, imagine they will pick up some -400's soon as their Pacific loads are very high.
 
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Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:35 am

NWA just needs to re-train it's cabin crew on how to be more "personal". That's the biggest problem I've had with them, really...poor service. Old junky planes? Yeah sure, but at least the interiors have been spruced up, although the seats in coach and first aren't really padded too much.  Smile


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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:14 am

dtw/ord fan
think how we feel, we get bashed daily by people like hlywdcatft who can read the papers and see we are far better than NWA is every category. NWA Was in the USA TODAY and they said NWA should be in bankruptcy now, they don't have the money some of the others have, we'll see with war looming maybe they will slip into it to save their asses.


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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:56 am

Ual777contrail,
I read your message several times and still do not understand it. What papers should I read to see that UAL is better than NWA in every category? What categories are you talking about? Is one of the catagories making money? How about on-time or maybe load factor? If Northwest should be in bankruptcy, why aren't they?
 
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Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:00 am



I thought NWA had $2.5billion in cash reserves not to mention the
value of their AA), Japan">NRT property, plus a fleet that is nearly all paid for,
granted older aircraft but fully amortized. They will lower their
costs especially if UA and AA succeed, and may have to do it through
Chapter 11, but I think NWA is probably is one of the healthier U.S.
airlines right now.
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:15 am

MSYtristar- "old junky planes"??? Thats like saying a '67 Corvette is a peice of crap compared to a new Corvette simply becuase it doesn't have power windows or a cd player.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:20 am

I will believe NW is in bad trouble when CNN reports on their financial status everyday just like they are doing UAL. Now, in NO WAY am i saying UAL is a bad airline. It will be a devastating loss if they go under. But Northwest is in the taking delivery's of dosens of new planes each year, are about to completely overhaul their image, just helped spend upwards of $4 billion at DTW and MSP, and I haven't heard a peep. Now, find the article that says NWA should be in bankruptcy, post the link and prove us wrong.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:38 am

You know, I don't understand people who bash NWA customer associates.

I have flown NWA a lot in the last couple of years, albeit in front (love that Platinum Elite status) and have never had anyone who was downright rude. They're more Midwestern in their approach, perhaps they don't gush, but they're more than helpful.

I'll agree that they're not as overtly friendly as those who work for my favorite airline, but they're certainly not UNFRIENDLY.
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:24 am

To address the original question, it’s heavily rumored that NW previously contacted UA about the prospect of purchasing a few of their B744. Obviously, no deal was made. NW will replace most of their B742 flying with the A330 (MSP-AMS and transpacific flights originating on the West Coast) in the short-term, with the B773 (transpacific only) in the long-term if economics demand. If NW does add to their B744, and I stress “if”, I wouldn’t expect more than 4-6 planes and I would expect that the majority would serve expansion (e.g. DTW-HKG, the return of LAX-SYD). The bottom line is that NW feels as though the B773 provides better economics than the B744 (and, to a much, much lesser degree, the A346 which is also a strong possibility but not as likely as the B773 at this point).
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To address some of the other comments made within this thread, I’m tired of the childish posts… if you live in Denver/etc., or work for United/etc., then I would expect some degree of loyalty toward UA. But that doesn’t make NW a poor airline. Yes, UA offers a slightly more premium product than NW, but one could argue that if not for cost-cutting, NW would’ve upgraded their product. UA hasn’t made as many cuts as NW, and that contributes to their financial woes… and of course that doesn’t make them a better airline. Yes, we’d all like wide, comfortable, reclining, vibrating, massaging seats with huge TVs that have the latest ondemand video, and exceptional service that includes 5-course four-star restaurant meals… but very, very few of us are willing to pay for it. So, we get (essentially) what we pay for. WN has offered $99 each-way fares since the beginning of last August (and yes, there’s been a few days in which WN hasn’t offered the sale – don’t nitpick me).

Ual777contrail – USA Today has praised NW’s cost-cutting measures… it has also predicted (in the past at least) that UA’s failure to adapt to market changes (e.g. cut capacity, cabin services, etc.) is a contributing factor to their woes. At least one columnist that I know of has predicted UA’s liquidation. So if USA Today’s changed their minds, please share a link – I’d love to read the article!
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:57 am

Hmm. I don't think there is any evidence of a possible NW 773 order, or a 773ER order I don't know which you meant specifically. They have already dismissed the possibility of A market 772s or 773s, and the 772ER.

There's also no evidence they'll fly the 333 or 332 transpacific - in fact, their chief of planning specifically said that they were going to be for dedicated transatlantic missions, as their transpacific fleet would require more WBC seats.

Now don't get me wrong - I think its inevitable they'll operate either the 333 or 332 from SEA to KIX, and likely to HNL, since they will have the same quantity if not more WBC seats than the existing DC-10s, and the only other thing they could do is upgrade to a 742.

But we need to refrain from posting any of this kind of data as fact. Like with all NW posts, its merely speculative.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:07 am

The A330-200's WILL be operating some of the west coast nrt trips--ie sfo-nrt;sea-nrt..
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:38 am

Gigneil,

As you say, "But we need to refrain from posting any of this kind of data as fact. Like with all NW posts, its merely speculative."

At no time has NW dismissed the 777-200ER to replace the 747 Classics. I read a quite lengthy article about NW's A330 decision (it used to be on this forum, but I can't remember the thread title) which went into great detail about the planning involved in replacing the DC-10 fleet. In the article, the direct of Northwest fleet planning (IIRC) stated that the A330 decision was based on replacement of the DC-10 fleet. He then specifically stated that NW would again look at the 777 and the A340 (as well as 'other options') when it came time to replace the 747 Classics.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:50 am

NWA had the money to hedge fuel for many months ahead. Currently 100% hedged into the summer at approx. $25-$29 dollars a barrel. UAL IS 0% hedged. Recently flew trips and more than one fueler stated UAL had gone 2-4 months without paying their fuel bill. Based on NWA's fuel burn this alone is an additional $540 million a year in losses for UAL. With the larger UAL fuel usage you could almost double that amount. Just another refection on good management vs. no management...
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:29 am

Hamlet69-

Its to this article I refer. The Pratt powered 772ER was deemed unacceptable to handle the company's Asian routes.

The article did say they'd be considering the 772LR and 773ER, as well as the A345 and A346 when the time came.

The thread was "Northwest A330 Conversion".

Favre - As much as I agree with you intellectually, can you cite a source for this definitive statement?

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:00 am

bonwa,
are you nuts? NWA Isn't making money, maybe you NEED to read the papers.
as far as ontime customer complaints and pretty much everything else in between, younger fleet better planes, customer service and yes NWA should be in bankruptcy and it will happen soon so hold yer pants bob.
United has had a decade of lousy management, we have one of the best products out there. Just because our leaders have chosen to spend and screw us all doesn't mean the product is bad. Sometimes you have to take the credit cards away from the ol' lady or she'll send you to the poor house. We needed to get the cards away 5 years ago but oh well water under the bridge.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:15 am

Gigneil,

I apologize. I had forgotten that they found the Pratt -200ER range deficient. Of course, if they are willing to look at the -200LR/-300ER, then it would also open to door to the GE90-94B powered -200ER. This might satisfy their requirements, depending on how heavy WBC seats are. CO seems to do fine with -92B powered birds.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:27 am

CO does fine...

...especially since their birds were never actually certified as -92Bs and therefore have the -90B's thrust and software. CO's EWR-HKG route remains one of the wonders of the world to me.

I, like everyone else, can't wait to see what NWA chooses to do moving forward. NWA will pack seats into whatever 300+ seater they choose - muchly why they decided against the Pratt powered 777.

The fact that the A340-500 and -600 don't have an exclusive engine contract also gives me reason to wonder what Pratt might do if Boeing award's the 7E7 engine deal to the other two manufacturers - a move I would think to be likely.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:54 am

"The fact that the A340-500 and -600 don't have an exclusive engine contract also gives me reason to wonder what Pratt might do if Boeing award's the 7E7 engine deal to the other two manufacturers - a move I would think to be likely."

I also see Boeing selecting Rolls-Royce and G.E. as the two OEM's for the 7E7. However, will this encourage Pratt to offer an alternative on the A340NGs? IMHO, its doubtful. The dibacle that is the A318 has obviously soured P&W's reputation in the industry. Hopefully, this has taught Pratt that developing a specific engine for a specific airframe with an uncertain marketing future is an unsound business practice. Would they repeat this with the A340NG? Perhaps, but if they do, you can kiss P&W goodbye. The market for a competing engine on the A340NG is virtually non-existant (NW and . . . ). In fact, the market for the A340NG is getting more doubtful by the year. The alternative to developing a new engine for the A340NG is using an existing one. The problem here lies with the fact that their existing engine is still, at minimum, 10 years older than their competition (PW 4056 v. Trent 556). Is NW prepared to fly the PW 4056 off the A340-600 when their Transpacific competitors are flying the GE90-115B off the 777-300ER? No. NW was/is a loyal Pratt customer. But today Pratt is no where near as competitive as they once were. I believe NW recognizes this (witness NW dismiss the Pratt-powered 777-200ER, but are open to the GE-powered 777LRs) and are prepared to switch OEMs for their own survival.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:07 am

Pratt is planning on basing their future on the compressor design in the PW6000 - even their engine offering for the 7E7.

Who knows what's to come... I agree the PW4056 will be a nightmare on the A340-600 - the efficiency probably just wouldn't be there.

I don't know if I agree the market for the A340NGs is going away - I think when people really get down to the wire of replacing 742s the A346 will fare well against the 777-300ER.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:33 am

Hello again folks...
All I wanted to know if Northwest could possibly snap-up any of United's 747s.
I didn't think it would turned into a hot topic. Big grin But anyhow, thanks to each & every one of you for your replies & opinions. Best regards to all.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:30 pm

Gigneil,

Have you been reading Favre's posts? Have you read his profile? Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, he works within NW's operations? If I thought he was full of crap (well, he sorta is because the Packers suck), I wouldn’t have added him to my respected users list.

The information I posted, except the "stuff" I tagged otherwise, was factual - not speculation: the B742 flying MSP-AMS will be replaced with A332/A333 (in a higher frequency) and some of the B742 flying SEA/SFO/LAX - NRT will be replaced with A332. Ship 6316 - a B744 - will receive the new WBC later this year; the rest of the B744 fleet will have it by sometime next year. There are NO PLANS to install it within the B742 fleet - sounds like NW wants to keep the B742, doesn't it? No, this information isn’t in public domain. And no, I won’t give you my sources (otherwise I wouldn’t have them). It’s up to you to decide whether or not you believe it.

NW never ruled out the possibility of B773 in their fleet. From Richard Reports, 1/29/01 edition: There may be a role at some point in the future for the 777-300 at Northwest as over the course of the next several years we make some decisions with respect to the retirement of our early 747-200 fleet. The B773 is the front-runner to replace the B742, but for now A332 will do so for some of them (until economics pick-up, and then you’ll probably see an order for the B773, although the A346 is also under consideration). Also keep in mind that NW “ruled out” the B772 before the industry turned to yuk. One NW employee told me that the B772/B773 would be a better fit for its entire transpacific network than the B742/B744 – he insisted that it’d work to NW’s advantage to say, offer two B773 DTW-NRT that were timed for connections, and one B772 early morning/late evening B772 flight. The B772 would be particularly useful to NW if they were to re-build their hub at KIX (thus taking away connecting traffic from NRT) or start nonstop service (e.g. Los Angeles – Seoul, Manila, etc.) from the West Coast.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:20 pm

Favre- IP does have a point, I didn't look at your profile. Very sorry. Its exciting to hear someone give a bit of confirmation on the A330 across the Pacific issue.

IP- While you did have a point, you'll forgive me if your respected users list isn't the first place I go to look to see if a source is credible just yet.  Laugh out loud

Second - I'll assume we're defining 773 as the 773ER, since the regular 773 would have almost no place in NW's extensive Pacific route network from the US... it just doesn't have the legs I'd think.

NW ruled out the 772ER because the Pratt powered frame has range/payload issues that they, as a leading carrier of freight, find unacceptable... and apparently, they're unwilling to make the jump to another engine vendor, or to the PW4098. I don't think the down market would help them justify what really wouldn't be the best choice... unless they were willing to go the GE90-94B route.

They did indicate that they'd be very interested in the 772LR and 773ER, which would be great planes for their route structure, but also very expensive from a capital perspective.

It also stands to reason that, if they're gonna be flying an A330 longhaul fleet over both oceans anyway, that the A340-500 and -600 would be an excellent next step.

And you don't think the 772 would be a bit overkill for rebuilding a KIX hub? I'd think the 332 or 333 would be best suited for a secondary Asian hub by a US carrier.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:16 pm

Gigneil,

FYI: My comment was in reference to a previous posting in which I said Favre was full of crap…

You’re getting too technical. My post was in response to the thread’s topic – will NW acquire more (specifically, UA’s) B744? The answer is “unlikely” considering many within NW’s fleet management would like to rebuild their transpacific network with B772 and B773 (yes, I’m ignoring the engines, –ER/-LR designations, etc.) aircraft. One person has even suggested that NW would be better off converting its entire fleet of B744 into freighters (and disposing all of its B742, this will probably never happen, at least for a decade or two) and utilize an all-B772/B773 fleet. NW did not previously order the B772 because they felt it was overkill for most of its transatlantic network and underkill (for lack of a better word  Laugh out loud) for its transpacific; thus, NW could not justify adding it to its fleet. But because times have changed (and for reasons stated in my earlier posts), the B772 now makes some sense to NW. Would the B772 be overkill for its KIX hub? I don’t know the answer to that question.

But then again, Denver’s the center of the universe and DEN’s the most crucial hub in the world, so maybe NW should fly CRJ to NRT instead!  Laugh out loud  Nuts  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:36 pm

CO seems to do fine with -92B powered birds.

But Hammy, as stated... doesnt CO actually operate their engines as GE90-90Bs, in contrast to what the [consistently incorrect] 777 census would lead you to believe
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:17 pm

Industrial Pate- I'm curious as to know why NW would want to completely take the 744 out of it's Pacific fleet. They fly those things full on those routes most of the time am I right? I'm only curious cause I always heard this was NW strong Intl. system and they made $$$ off it. Thanks.
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 2:57 am

Gigneil,

"Pratt is planning on basing their future on the compressor design in the PW6000 - even their engine offering for the 7E7."

Indeed, but unless Pratt is selected for the 7E7, which we both think is unlikely, that development will never get off the ground. BTW - don't forget that Pratt also demanded exclusivity on the 777LR. Would they now be willing to turn around and develop a new engine, even one based on the PW6000 core, in a competitive environment (i.e. with RR on the A340NG). Not likely.

"I don't know if I agree the market for the A340NGs is going away - I think when people really get down to the wire of replacing 742s the A346 will fare well against the 777-300ER."

I simply can't agree with you here. The 777-200ER can carry more payload, with greater range, less maintanence, and only slightly higher trip costs (fuel) versus the A340-300. The market has responded by order the big twin by a 2:1 margin. The only competitive advantage the A340-300 has it is lighter and costs less to purchase. Now, comparing the 777LR versus the A340NG, that weight issue is now in favor of the Boeing, which can still carry more payload, has virtually identical range but now with less relative fuel, and still costs less to maintain. In other words, the 2 advantages the A343 had over the 772ER is now down to one - purchase price. Will that keep the quad in the game? In the short run, maybe. But over the long haul, the 777LR will dominate its cometitors like the current generation is. That is why I said the A340NG market is dwindling by the year.


ConcordeBoy,

My info about CO's engines came from the Boeing factory line. If CO is operating them at rerated settings, then fine by me - only reinforces my point.

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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:18 am

If CO is operating them at rerated settings

That appears to be the case.... their website specifically says their 772ERs are powered by the GE90-90B
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Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:19 am

By the way Hamlet, get my email?  Smile
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Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:40 am

Dtw/ord fan!,

I should clarify: I don't think NW will retire their B744 fleet and I didn't mean to imply such. I was trying to stress a point to Gigneil that NW was very interested in the B777 program; an employee (who works within “that” department) I talked with babbled on about how many within NW felt as though the B772/B773 fleet would be a better fit for their transpacific network than the A345/A346 or B744. Yes, NW insists they’re making money off their transpac network, but maybe some employees (re: some does not mean majority or all) think they’d make more with a more efficient fleet. Personally, I think Airbus can offer NW a much sweeter deal (for the A345/A346) but every employee I spoke with recently is confident that Boeing will come close to matching any Airbus offer (and that despite the heavy commonality between the A330/A340, the B777 proves to be more efficient to NW’s network and also gives the airline a mix between Airbus and Boeing aircraft).
 
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RE: Will NW Pick-up Any UA's 747s?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 5:06 am

ConcordeBoy,

No, I didn't. Which address did you send it to? The one on the Yahoo forum is no longer valid (hasn't been for a while, don't know why I have not changed it).

Regards,

Hamlet69
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