jmc1975
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Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 12:58 am

I was noticing in America West availability, that effective July 1st, Air Midwest (dba America West Express) shows no more service to Prescott, AZ (PRC) as well as its continuation to Kingman, AZ (IGM). There has not been any official announcement of discontinuation, but can anyone confirm if this is the case? They currently have 2x daily flights to PHX.





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Tom in NO
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 1:39 am

According to my info, both Kingman and Prescott are Essential Air Service communities, and receive America West Express gets a $541,502 annual subsidy for providing that service.

EAS rules state: "if an air carrier providing basic essential air service at a point wishes to terminate, suspend, or reduce that service below the required leve, it must file a 90-day notice with community officials, the appropriate state aviation agency and the Department of Transportation".

My guess would be that, if the service is in fact being discontinued, it would be because the expenses required to operate PHX-PRC-IGM is exceeding the DOT's subsidy.

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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:48 am

i live here in prescott, and just called my friend who is the station supervisor for air midwest here, and she has no idea about it, and was a lil pissy that i was the one that told her. she's calling around now to find out, probably a move to get the B1900 out of service out of phx. lake havasu and farmington would be next then to lose air service from phx.
 
jmc1975
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Thu Mar 20, 2003 4:06 pm

I was looking at availability for Lake Havasu and Farmington and it shows those flights continuing to operate at least through the end of the year. Maybe the EAS subsidy for PRC and IGM isn't panning out.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:18 am

I don't see any 90 day notices filed yet in the DOT dockets. They would only have a few days left to meet that deadline for July 1.

IF AWX is considering discontinuing service, one possible replacement is Scenic. They have been taking some EAS routes in the last couple of years such as Merced-LAS.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:10 am

HP Express is planning on discontinuing PRC and IGM service this summer sometime and the B1900's will be down to 1 on the HPX fleet.
 
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 6:28 am

most of the reasoning behind this,it costs some people almost as much to fly from PRC/IGM to PHX to connect as it would cost them just to drive to PHX and connect on another flight. So, HPX sees that and realizes they are making no money on this venture,so they will end the service.
 
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:21 pm

well, from what i found out here in prescott today at the airport, because that is where i work, mesa as america west express approached the airport and wanted to change a/c on the route to the dash 8. problem being with prc is the kingman leg, because that serves as the eas subsidized contintuation of phx-prc-igm. kingman does not offer airport services to accomodate the dash 8, due to airport hours manned, fire services offered on the field, approaches, and other commuter related issues, so mesa will not fly the dash 8 up there all because of dispatch issues. now with that, flying the dash 8 on the 86 mile leg, usually only a 25 min flight, isn't feasible. the sup here said they would probably fill more seats than now because of the larger a/c, more seats would be available at a different range of fares, especially to feed into phoenix, but mesa now has to try to dump the eas route they have here. this sucks for a couple of reasons now, the only other commuter anywhere out in this area is great lakes who feeds united and frontier, they have a plane based in phx that flies phoenix to page 3 times a day, one continuing to moab, utah and then on to denver. i don't know if they would pick it up. there is also arizona express that flies a B1900D 3x a day from phx to show low, doubt they could do it. so now, we are left with a minimum two hour drive to phx, or four hours to vegas for commercial flights. my roommate just booked a prc-sfo trip in two weeks on hp, and the commuter add-on was only $40 more, quite competitive when you think of time, gas, and parking when having to drive from northern az to phoenix.
 
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:49 pm

It's too bad that Kingman has to ruin things for everyone. The Dash 8 would've been a welcome sight at Prescott.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:53 pm

Didn't Prescott used to get DHC-8s? I could have sworn thats whatwas there when I visited in '99.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:38 pm

That's too bad to hear. Has anyone been to the IGM airport? It's pretty small. The whole 'terminal' is about the size of a large restroom. At least there's free parking there.
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flyboy7974
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:30 am

same thing for the terminal we have here in prescott. the next airport project is a runway extension to add on to the current 7500 foot runway we have now. this is to allow rj equip to come in if they could ever find an airline down the road to want to. after that, a new terminal.
 
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:55 am

JMC - Hey as a native of Kingman, I resent that!  Wink/being sarcastic It's bad enough to be the armpit of the desert, but to be blamed for losing air service too!

Seriously, I'm suprised Kingman has air service at all. It really doesn't need it. Vegas is two hours away and Phoenix is five. In all the years I've been traveling to see my family, I've never once bothered to fly into IGM itself. It was much cheaper to fly to Vegas and rent a car. If they do drop service, I'm sure someone will pick up the Prescott-Phoenix leg, since that's the route that can actually generate some revenue.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:58 am

What level of service of Bullhead City/Laughlin seeing these days, is there anything else besides casino charters. It is certainly more than close enough to Kingman to capture any sort of local high demand traffic that exists.
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RE: Prescott, AZ To Lose All Air Service?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:28 am

Sun Country has scheduled flights to Bullhead City/Laughlin from MSP.