timz
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8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:31 am

Caption for a photo on p41 of Air Line Pilot for July 1970:

"James R. Bede (center), Cleveland aircraft designer and pilot, shows off a model of the "powered glider" he designed and flew to a world record 8,924 nonstop miles."

The caption goes on to suggest that the record was observed by the NAA-- so you'd think it would be in the record book, unless somebody beat it since. I haven't found any such thing.

Was it a misprint? Anybody know what the actual record was?
 
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:45 am

It would take WEEKS to fly that long in one of those flying lawnmowers. Probably need to move the decimal place to the left. Maybe twice.
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:35 am

People have flown Gliders for over 1000 miles at a time! Not motor powered either! Just catch that big ass thermal and ride it way up and ride between thermals between states(USA) Big grin

8924 seems like a big stretch....But then again, in the record books, a person flew a Cessna for about 51-52 days nonstop! Refueling by air!



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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:54 am

"a person flew a Cessna for about 51-52 days nonstop"

I do not think I could survive that. Where the hell did he go to the bathroom?




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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:59 am

Same way we did when towing banners, probibly. Go in the piss jar. Or use a relief tube.
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:08 am

This is the Jim Bede of BD-5 fame. The record setting plane was a conversion of a Schweizer sailplane (2-32 I think...) Called the BD-2. Records were set in 10-69 for distance over a closed course.
 
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 10:15 am

This was probably Jim Bede's best known design (at least to carry his name...) He was invovled in the design of several famous a/c. No luck so far trying to find the actual record, although it is quoted in several places on the web.

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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 12:30 pm

The following site has world-records:

http://www.fai.org/records/


Looks like the longest glider flight is 1646 km out and return, there are others out there.

Couldn't find the one for the motor glider.

Looks like the highest absolute altitude a glider has reached is 14938m or 49790ft.

It's not just only thermals that can get you the long flight, if you've got a good ridge lift, you can follow a mountain range for a long way. Once you get hight enough you can catch the rotors (the ones that powered airplanes avoid because of turbulence) to go higher.

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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 1:06 pm

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Same way we did when towing banners, probibly. Go in the piss jar. Or use a relief tube.>>


What if you have to go number 2?
 
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 3:56 pm

High protien, low fibre diet helped, but we never flew more than 6.5 hours nonstop, so I never really had a problem with it. However, I've heard stories from those that didn't have as good control of their bowels the following story:

Nowhere to land, our intrepid aviatior had a pressing problem. He HAD to go. Turn away at this point if you are easily offended. Ok, knew you were all still here. Our resourceful hero undid his seatbelt and slid back the canopy (did I mention this happened in an Ercoupe?). He elevated his posterior above the seat and spread a sectional across it. He took care of business, wrapped up the package, and jettisoned it over the side.

At this point he realized that he just threw out his chart. D'oh!

Seriously, from my experience, it's something you just get good a controling. I've never actually had to use my piss jar. Intentional dehydration might have something to do with it though.

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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:45 pm

How can you refuel a Cessna single prop in mid-air? Custom built fueling vents like those military fighters? who supplies the fuel? I am sure tankers cant fly in front of the cessna due to wake .
 
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Refueling A Cessna

Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:22 am

You fly 2-3 meters above the runway while the guys drive the truck along the runway and hand up fuel. The record was just over 60 days in a C172. In 1958, maybe.
 
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:00 am

You fly 2-3 meters above the runway while the guys drive the truck along the runway and hand up fuel.

You are kidding rite??? Dangerous approach that one.. and how can the truck keep up with the speed of the Cessna?  Wow!
 
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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A Motorglider?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:05 pm

You've never flown a Cessna, have you? A skyhawk stalls at around 45 knots, and can fly quite comfortably in ground effect at 55 knots or so, thats 63mph. Figure in a headwind, and you're going even slower.

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RE: 8924 Miles Nonstop In A BD-2

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:39 am

2912n mentioned the BD-2, and now I see that a BD-2 (powered by a 210-hp Continental) flew a 10000-mile closed circuit in 1981. So I guess it's not a misprint-- it just wasn't a glider or motorglider record.

Presumably the 1981 record is still the greatest distance ever flown nonstop unrefuelled by a single-engine aircraft?

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