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Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:07 pm

For a senior in high school deciding between schools its nice to get advice and I thaught this would be a great place for feed back. right now I'm looking at Embry Riddle and University North Dakota but all suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Stude

Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:13 pm

Have you considered Middle Tenn State University? I attend there and I am very impressed with our aviation program. Try our site at www.mtsu.edu. See you.

Chris
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:56 pm

I have a couple friends up at Riddle in Prescott,AZ. It isnt a bad school,have heard the usual issues about being able to rent planes (mx issues,etc), but if you want training and a degree Embry Riddle is not a bad place to go. Keep in mind that given the current state of the industry, most any place you go will not get you into an airline right away upon graduation.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sat Mar 22, 2003 6:18 pm

Be careful on a swift decision. Riddle won't get you in the cockpit until 18 months of schooling. Thats one thing they have up their sleeve. I would also highly recommend NOT attenting Riddle for your freshman year since it's about 23,000 dollars wasted on general ed. classes i.e. english 101, calculus. There's a junior college not far from Prescott Riddle and it is Yavapai Community college which is one of the top 3 junior colleges in the country, if not world. I attented Yavapai for a semester but had a bit of a change of career plans (corporate aviation rather than commercial) so I currently go to Scottsdale community college close to home.

The college i just might attend is Spartan school of aeronautics. This is in Tulsa, OK and it is geared more toward coporate aviation and you will be flying in just 3 weeks.

Spartan also has a reasonable advantage over riddle. The fact that riddle (either campus) has such great flying weather, you are only exposed to simple flying. Spartan teaches you in all sorts of foul weather flying so when you get a full time job, you're not going to be shakin in your boots like you might be had you attended Riddle, being exposed to nice weather...get what i'm saying?

Hope this helps.

Tim Lachenmaier
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:28 am

I would not go to Riddle, You can get the same training anywhere else for a fraction of the price.
I heard that a Riddle graduate flunked out of Skywest's ground school not too long ago. It is all the same training just different prices IMO.
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:02 am

Riddle is a prety good school if you want to become a pilot - RES what do you mean Riddle won't get you in a cockpit until 18 months of schooling, Alot of people start flying a month after they begin their freshmen year.On the bad side- It is very expensive to fly here and once you start flight training in the school they will only count the hours you have flown at Riddle for your ratings. About the general ed. classes - they just do that to sort of make it a well rounded education . The best way for you to make a decision is to visit all your top schools- evaluate the different campuses, the school, and make your decision based on what you saw not on what people tell you (people have different opinions on what they see as a good school).
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:07 am

I am going through the same thing with Western Michigan University and Lewis. They both are nice schools and I just wanted to let you know that some schools in the midwest are great. I know a lot of schools in Illinois and other states that offer aviation flight. If you want to know about some schools where I live at(in the IL, MI, and MO area schools) you can contact me.
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:27 am

I took one year of flight training at Louisiana Tech University. They had a fleet of about 12 Cessna 152's, some 172's, 172rg's, and some Beech Baron's I believe. It was a good program. They just built a new aviation building on the main campus, very high-tech. The flight training is done at the new Ruston Airport, about 5 miles from campus, which has a nice 5000ft runway, new(but small) terminal building, an FBO or two, and the Tech flight ops center. LATech has a very nice campus, but the downside is there is not too much to do in the town itself, although SHV, 1 hour drive west, is s decent-sized place, as is MLU, 30 minutes East. I thought the non-aviation classes were very well taught. I was originally going to go to UND, but the thought of braving those harsh winters was too much to take. In any case, just do some research, and visit the school's if you can to get a feel for what they offer.


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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:40 am

I am currently a student at UND, and I can only recommend it! Take a look at the UND Aerospace web site: http://www.aero.und.edu and the Flight Ops. site at http://www.aero.und.edu/aviation/flightops.php3 for more information. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions about UND Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:56 am

ERAU or UND? Neither.

I'd go to the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development Program in either Farmington, NM, or Phoenix, AZ. I'd recommend the one in Phoenix because you get a bachelors degree there, rather than an associates in Farmington. I have a cousin and a friend in the program in Farmington and its a great program. Its 5 semesters long, straight through, you can start from scratch with absolutly no experience. It breaks down like this...

1st Semester: Private (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
2nd Semester: Time Building with Cross Countries (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
3rd Semsester: Commercial and Instrument Ratings (Beech 36 Bonanzas)
4th Semester: Multi-Engine (Beech 58 Baron)
5th Semester: Turbine (Beech 1900D)

This program trains you specifically for commercial airline flying. You come out with everything you need except an ATP since you probably won't have 1500 hours by the time you're through. However, You are guarenteed an interview with Mesa Airlines (since they train you) after you're done with the school. And you're allowed to fly with the airline until you get 1500 hours and can earn an ATP.

This program is better than ERAU or UND because you're just about guarenteed a job, I know grads from EARU who graduated years ago and still have no hope of a job. So this is really the way to go if you want to fly commercial.

Brian

Here's the school website...
http://www.flightcareers.com

 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:00 am

WMU has 40 Skyhawk 172 (all from 99 and up), 2 Extra 300's, 3 Mooney Ovations, 4 Piper Seminoles, 5 Piper Seneca's and a Piper Cub Sea Plane. Not to mention we continually beat other high ranking *cough cough* embry riddle, Purdue, UND, etc. in flight competitions.

http://www.wmich.edu/aviation/

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:31 am

I am Graduating in December 2003 from high scholl (summer is in december january and february here in panama) I think i will probably go With UND becouse of the price vs what you get. send an request for brochures. Also check out University of Saint louis program and the Oklahoma university program
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:43 am

So could someone list all the universities with aviation programs that can get you flying? Also what about other aviation careers such as aviation management?


thanks - TWA902
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:48 am

My advice is get a non-aviation degree in a subject you enjoy besides flying. The airlines don't care what kind of degree you have and if you do it right, part 61 instruction can be as good as an academy....and much cheaper. I just met a recent UND grad who is going to help me with some free-lance instructing. He's working as a bank teller to pay the bills......
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:14 am

Flyin 1:

I'm sorta in the same position you are right now. (in fact I'll be attending the "Embry Riddle's accepted students" meeting tomorrow in Manhattan). I applied to Embry Riddle, Purdue, St. Louis University and The Air Force Academy. I just found out the other day that I got accepted to the Air Force Academy, and was accepted everywhere else in December, so I'll probably go to the Air Force Academy.
Anyway, before I did get in I was contemplating St. Louis University and Embry Riddle. Saint Louis probably has the best aeronautic program (professional pilot) from what I heard and was told out of all the colleges. It is a pretty respectable college, and because it is not solely an aeronautics college, you can also study different subjects. St. Louis' tuition is about $30K a year, but I received a 1/2 scholarship there just based on academics (1300 SAT and 3.65 GPA), so the standards weren't too incredibly high... Also, the tuition includes everything. There aren't any extra fees for anything etc.. I would have chosen St. Louis over Embry Riddle and every other college, except for the Academy any day, because as Embry Riddle and all the others are kind of "lagging" for lack of a better word, SLU is doing pretty well..

Anyway, if you did not apply to SLU, are are stuck between UND and Embry Riddle, I would suggest Riddle, because they're aviation reputation is a lot better than UND's. But, be prepared to shell out a lot of money at Riddle (30K+ a year), and "fight" for flight times. Also, because you're at a college whose primary purpose is to train pilots, your English and Math courses won't be that great, although UND's aren't that much better. I believe Riddle has better job placement than UND does, and again, because of the name, a lot of companies will hire you over a UND student most days.
What I recommend you do, if this is your type, is to go to Riddle, and join AFROTC (Air Force ROTC). After your freshman year, if you have a good GPA and pass the physical tests, you will be eligible to get a scholarship for the 3 remaining years. Then, all you have to do is serve actively for 4 or 5 years if you decide you don't want to fly in the Air Force, or 9 years if you do want to fly in the Air Force. The Air Force is great, because, especially in this economy, where almost no one is hiring, you're guaranteed flight time, and once you leave the Air Force, you are pretty much guaranteed a job anywhere, and have the edge over applicants not coming from a military background. But again the Air Force has to be your type of thing.

Anyway, good luck with your decision!
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:42 am

I would check out Purdue University! I'm a student there currently in Aviation Management, but I know the flight program well.

If you have any questions, just ask me! Since Purdue is a Big 10 school, you get a diverse range of majors... if you decide to switch (which a lot of people do).

I have "recruited" a lot of people to this school and not one have told me anything negative (aside from the usual mitching and boaning about the homework, classes, and other related stuff).

Have a good one!

- Neil Harrison

P.S. I'd search the archives for Purdue as I have wrote and rewritten stuff about the flight program here.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:55 am

I will agree with De727ups on the fact that the airlines really dont care what the degree is in. All they are really looking for is the fact that you are educateable, since they will be spending thousands of dollars on you to train you for their aircraft. It is kind of a way of weeding out the people who really dont want to be there.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Stude

Sun Mar 23, 2003 4:22 am

The reputation of the industry seems to be with UND, Purdue and WMU. From what I've seen these three schools are highly regarded by people who stay informed with the system, and they're keeping an eye on Auburn as an up-and-comer. Riddle seems to be just too narrowminded on aviation, and is really creating a reputation of producing arrogant VFR pilots. One great thing I've heard about UND is that they produce great pilots who make great employees, and from what I've seen, I agree. Its also said that Purdue puts out very high quality airline pilots, with the 727 sims, two years of turbojet training and rumors of a new 737-800 sim, however actual time coming out of Purdue suffers at less than 300 I believe. WMU puts out a high quantity of pilots but I've heard complaints about not flying for a while there.

These are just the opinions I've heard from airline execs. If you want my opinion, don't get a "pilot" degree. When push comes to shove, the airlines just want hours and a degree (although thats not even required). I'd suggest something else you enjoy, and aggressively fly on the side. Hours Hours Hours!
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 5:17 am

It's your money, but I couldn't imagine paying Embry Riddle nearly $100k to become a pilot. Yes, you get a bachelor's degree for that amount, but you can get the same degree from a state school for a fraction of the cost.

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 5:36 am

As has already been pointed out there are a lot more than just Riddle and UND when it comes to professional pilot B.S. programs. Certainly worth poking around to see what else there is.

But honestly, why not just attend the local state university and pursue your flight training at the same time. Probably will cost you a lot less to begin with and you can pursue a degree that will have meaning outside of aviation and have a non-aviation related social life as well (I know that is a shocker to many of you). You'd have to be juggling your time between classes and flight training at the aviation school anyways, so there is no disadvantage to staying local and flying on your own time.

One more thing. I am VERY glad that I did not pursue an aviation related career. When I was applying to college I was going to be an Aerospace Engineering major. Long story short, I was on the verge of failing calculus in my senior yr of HS, dropped the course and changed my major prior to going to orientation. Didn't want to deal with the math and science that would have just made my life miserable for the next 4-years. I ended finding something that I am passionate about and enjoy intellectually. And I'll keep aviation as a hobby. I would still like to get my pilot's license one of these days, but not as big a deal as it used to be. Just more stuff to keep in mind.

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Stude

Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:28 am

I've already been accepted At Riddle(FL) and MTSU. Know, I am just waiting to see about the $ issue cause Riddle doesn't come cheap! I have visited both univesities and must say that both schools have aviation programs unlike anything in Virginia. I hope to go to Riddle, But I will happily go to MTSU if riddle doesn't fall through!


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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:18 am

>>Its also said that Purdue puts out very high quality airline pilots, with the 727 sims, two years of turbojet training and rumors of a new 737-800 sim, however actual time coming out of Purdue suffers at less than 300 I believe. <<

Purdue signed a letter of intent to take hold of a 737-800 sim for $1.8 million. Don't know if it's full-motion like our 727-200 sim, but at that price you can be the judge (as I don't know how much sims can go for).

It is rumored that we will be training ATA's pilots in that new sim.

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:29 am

I think I heard that a full motion sim goes for about 10 million. Also UND has a CRJ 200 full motion sim
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:39 pm

Interesting no one has mentioned Daniel Webster College which is where I go, I guess because it's a small school in New Hampshire. However, with only 250 flight students, I am impressed with amount of airplanes we have here, listed in the approximate order in which you might fly them:
19 C172R (about 1999)
4 G-109B (motorglider)
5 Cap-10 (2 seat aerobatic)
4 Mooney M20J
3 Piper Arrow (2003)
3 Piper Seminole (2003)
3 Cessna Crusaders

Although ERAU may have 99 airplanes and the largest General Aviation fleet in the world, you can clearly see here that their ratio of planes to students is far worse than it is at DWC. I'm not sure about other schools.

I'm only a freshman, and I have not had any problems with not being able to progress through the program so far. It's an expensive school, but I think you get your money's worth in return, especially if you're on a partial scholarship like me! A few seniors that are near graduating I've talked to will have their degree, single and multi-engine commercial rating, and CFI rating as well. I know of one who has an internship with Northwest Airlines. He has logged time in 747s, and Airbuses on delivery flights stopping in several locations in the North Atlantic. THAT is what I'd like to be doing my senior year! The website is www.dwc.edu.

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:54 pm

I got accepted to both, and chose UND, for pretty much the same reasons stated above. UND is a real University, not just a University devoted to one field of study, so there is some variety, and a chance to minor in a totally seperate field (nice back-up). Not to mention sports, if youre athletic, and want to compete NCAA Divison 1 or 2, in a variety of sports, forget ERAU.
North Dakota garauntees IMC, snow and all sorts of flying conditions, it comes with the territory, try getting that in the middle of the Arizona desert.
Cost, ERAU is super expensive, UND is a little cheaper. (Most flight programs cost a lot anyway)
The internship program at UND seems to be unparalleled anywhere else (ASA, Northwest to namea few), and all sorts of little things appealed to me.

Again, different people like different things, so if you chose to go into a flight program, chose well, and one that is made on your preferences and feelings, not others.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:58 pm

Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, IL also has a great program. We are going to be taking delivery of new airplanes starting next week, have internship agreements with nearly every major US carrier and many regionals as well. We've also won or placed second in regional flight team competition every year for the past 30 or so years.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:09 pm

I'm in the same position you were in aircanadaman and so far I'm going for UND I think the schools are about the same its just what you make of it. and UND is alot cheaper. and I agree with the idea of training in harsher weather conditions

Thanks everyone for all your suggestions I'm definatly going to look into the colleges you have mentioned

Thanks again
flyin 1
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:17 pm

Spartan School of Aeronautics - Tulsa, OK
www.Spartan.edu

Spartan is the oldest, largest private aviation school in the world! In 2003, Spartan is celebrating their 75th anniversary. Annually, Spartan receives approximately 50,000 inquiries from prospective students, of those approximately 1,600 are accepted: 200 flight students, 1,400 technical students.

Those interested in exploring the many opportunities Spartan has to offer, are welcome to call or eMail me for more details.

Mr. K. McPherson
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800-331-1204 ext. 614
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:24 pm

I secound N777UA's remarks about SIU! I went through the program back in '91 and it was top notch then.
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Sun Mar 23, 2003 4:52 pm

I'm also a HS senior looking for a college. I decided on UND because of what other have already said:

--It a full size university (with athletics and more variety)
--You can minor or double major in a non-aviation field. It'll look better on a job resume to a minor (doesn't matter in what field). With the current hiring situation I think every little bit of education will help.

Good Luck!
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:03 am

It's funny we have so many Riddle experts when hardly any of you go to Riddle.
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Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:28 am

Full motion level D sims go for about $20 million. Doesn't matter the size of the aircraft, they're all about the same. Purdue uses ATA and NASA to bring the sim cost WAY down for the students. I've been told out-of-state students at Purdue will pay about the same as in-state students at UND.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:31 am

I checked in purdue about a month ago and it said that they only accepted us nationals and permanent residents for the flight program, dont know if that has changed. so it is deffinatly not an option for me. I graduate in december BTW, probably will go with UND
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:59 am

Florida Institute of Technology (Florida Tech) in Melbourne, FL has a good program that offers the opportunity for internships in your senior year. A fleet of AG5-B's, (Grumman Tigers), PA28's, Mooneys, and Seminoles make up the training fleet.

It is 10 minutes from the beach, 1 hr from Orlando and Daytona Beach. 40 mins to Kennedy Space Center where the Space Sciences department dispenses launch passes liberally to get you on site for launches.

My 2 cents is this. Get a 4 year degree from a school you like in a degree that you want to pursue. General business degrees are just dandy. Purchase a Cessna 152 by yourself or with a partner or though your parents help. They run anywhere from $16,000 to $25,000 and when you are finsished with them you can resell them at your purchase price. Thus your flight training costs are limited to instructor costs, fuel and maintenance and airport fees. Purchase blocks of time for your multi from flight schools that offer this option.

A/c ownership for your case wouls seem ideal. Besides think of all the chicks you'll get when you invite them to come along for a ride in your plane that you own and pilot. A hop down to the Florida Keys for the weekend? Absolutely! Bahamas you say? Yes!! I say.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:26 am

Chepos-I am so glad you said what you did. Not knocking any of the other fine schools throughout the country that offer aviation related degrees, and by the way if you throw in flight they ALL become costly, but I feel that ERAU has an exceptional curriculum and holds high esteem throughout the industry.
 
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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:08 am

The UND Aerospace vs. Embry Riddle is a popular question. They are both exceptional schools as well as many others are. I started at UND in 1997 and graduated from UND in 2001. It took only four years to graduate which gave me my CFII. I am currently flight instructing for UND Aerospace (MEI). One of my best friends from my hometown recently graduated from ERAU-Prescott campus and we keep in close contact.

I’m not here to say one is better than the other because the answer depends on what you are looking for. I am just here to answer questions and talk about UND since I also searched UND, ERAU and other schools.

As mentioned, UND does have a brand new CRJ-200 simulator. It is a Level-6 simulator which means it has all the bells and whistles except motion (which we don’t really need). I was able to fly the simulator during a maintenance test. Wow, it was very lifelike. UND Aerospace decided to purchase the simulator for many reasons; to better prepare students with jet operation, CRM as well as possibly upgrading to a Part 142 school.

The simulator is going to be used in coordination with a few courses we currently have including our CRJ-200 advanced systems course and crew resource management (CRM). Every student will be able to log 10 hrs. in the simulator with a flight partner (5 left seat / 5 right seat). Current UND flight instructors also have the opportunity to fly the simulator. It received the approval from the FAA a few weeks ago and it is now fully operational and ready to go.

Our fleet is brand-new and we also have additional aircraft on order. Here is what we use at UND:

Aircraft: Piper Warrior III’s with bendix-king or dual Garmin 430 GPS units, Arrows (same GPS), Seminoles (same GPS), Beechcraft Baron 58 (new engines, icing, radar, a/c), Piper Cub, C-152 amphibious float plane, Super Decathlons (acrobatic), Cirrus-20, Citation II (wx research), Piper Cheyenne (air service) and a Raytheon Premier Corporate Jet

Helicopters: Bell 206B and Schweitzer H-300.

Simulators: Frasca 241 warrior sims, Vector warrior sims, Frasca 242 Seminole sims, and a brand-new CRJ-200 Level 6 training simulator.

Here are some other random UND facts:
ICAO call sign "Sioux"
Cockpit procedure trainers (Flight Computer - Airbus 320)
High-altitude physiology chamber training
Tower Simulator and Air Traffic Control simulation labs
More than 1,900 students from throughout the world are enrolled in UND Aerospace
Our $83 million aerospace complex spans more than 400,000 square feet. Its unique enclosed skyway system connects all aerospace buildings and a Hilton Hotel which provides students with convenient access to classes, regardless of the weather.
$100 million Ralph Engelstad hockey arena
Our northern location with four distinct seasons provides valuable experience for future pilots. You’ll face nearly every weather condition during your college years that you could ever encounter in a lifetime of flying. We get a lot of actual IFR flying as well as having to deal with icing conditions. Besides, aircraft fly better when it’s cold!
We are also able to learn how to fly on international flights into Canada.
Flight training centers located in Honolulu, Hawaii; Spokane, Washington; Phoenix, Arizona; Crookston, Minnesota; and our newest two Williston, North Dakota; and Duluth, Minnesota (Cirrus SR-20/22 Contract Training).
UND Aerospace Flight Training Centers allow the University of North Dakota to offer education and training across the United States. Students can complete two years of general education requirements at satellite locations and flight training before transferring to UND to complete their education.

Here are some good websites for UND.

www.und.edu
www.aero.und.edu
www.aero.und.edu/aviation/flightops.php3
www.aero.und.edu/multimedia

I hope this helps but feel free to contact me with any other question you may have regarding UND, flying, college life or whatever!

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RE: Embry Riddle Or UND For Commercial Bound Students?

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:17 am

MTSU is a great school. They have a great aviation program here. And this summer, they are replacing their whole fleet with brand new planes right off the assembly line. They are getting new Diamond 20's and 40's. New Piper Arrows for the complex, and brand new Piper *Simenoles* for the multi. They are already getting them in, we received the new Arrows, although they are not flying yet, they are going to be ready for this fall semester. Never a better time to go to MTSU, and it is fairly cheap also. Much cheaper then Riddle.

Kevin

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