flyboy80
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More Questions About Door Policies

Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:29 am

Earlier this year I was at PDX making a connection for a flight on a rainy day. A Delta 738 was on the ramp durinig it's turn. one of the F/As had opened door 1R even though there wasn't a catering truck, stairway...etc and then closed it about 15 mins later. So I finally want to clear this up! I've heard many times F/As (mainly U.S. airlines) are not supposed to open the cabin doors unless in a emergency situation. So is this acurate? Or can F/As open doors virtually any time they want, even if just to take a look at the ramp? I know airlines in the U.S. also have polocies reguarding arrivals at the Jet bridges, where they don't open the door but the gate agent does. Supposebly the F/As "crack" the doors, but what does this mean? Some refer to it as just breaking the seal of the door, Or does the door aculty have to be opend just slightly. At United I was pretty sure that gate agents knocked and then the F/As slowly began to open the doors, but last time on UA (757 ableing me to see the 2L cabin door) the flight attendant just stood back, and the door suddenly opened (by the gate agent of course) So if someone could clear all this up, or some of it at least, that would be GREAT! Thanks a lot!
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:13 am

yes, thats strange, i thought that they don't open them from inside, because the slides sometimes do not disarm even when they disarm them, but opening the door from outside, disarms the slide automatically regardless of what..
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:16 pm

When a National Airlines 757 paid us a visit for a charter flight, their FAs opened the rear doors for ventilation and they had a rope-like device which stretched across the door opening to make it obvious that the door was open
to anyone thinking of going for a stroll.

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kevi747
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:37 am

We're not really supposed to open them, but I've done it when the plane is really hot (sometimes its just unbearable). "Cracking" the door just means rotating the door control handle and letting someone outside open it the rest of the way.
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:15 am

kevi747, you are right

we are not supposed to open them, however some times when two jet bridges are attached to the airplane upon arrival, the purser will announce "Cabin Crew, doors maybe opened" it has two meanings, you either open the door if you feel it is safe to be opened, or give the person on the other jetway thmbs ups to open the door...

yet, some times we do open the door to ventilate the aircraft if the APU wasn't working
 
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:45 pm

The door is automatically disarmed if opened from the outside???? Are you sure? If you look at the way a door on the 727 is armed, I doubt this is the case. Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong. Each airline I've flown with has a different procedure in regards to opening and closing the door.
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flyboy80
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:25 am

so in F/A training do they not discuss this?????
 
4X-ELD
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:18 am

The door is automatically disarmed if opened from the outside on most of the aircrafts I know.
However the 737 (and 707/707) are different by the way that they do not have a mechanism that arm the slide but it is the FA who attach the girt bar to the threshold
This is why in many airline's 737 has a red band that is strapped across the windows while the slide is attached to the girt bar = to warn any ground crew not to try to open the door from the outside as the slide will inflated.
 
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:13 am

707/727/737/DC-9/MD-80s all have the manual girt bar system, with the red strap to signal that the door is armed. While it does seem rather dated, as the first generation of inflatable slides were operated in this way, it is the most foolproof, and very rarely do we have inadvertent deployments with our 737/MD-80 fleet.

I'm not 100% sure of procedure here at Continental for opening doors, but in the instances that I have seen, the flight attendant communicates with the gate agent using hand signals through the porthole, verifies the slide disarmed, and turns the handle to release the door. Then, the F/A pushes the door out slightly, and then the agent takes over and properly engages the gust lock. The process is reversed for closing, and the attendant locks the door and arms the slide. With power-assist doors like on the 767/777, I am almost positive that the door is activated from the outside.

About two months ago, we had just completed the first leg of a Florida rotation, and pulled into the gate at MCO. We were going to use 2L for deplaning (757-200), so a young flight attendant stationed there was to crack the door and assist the agent in opening. She did not properly disarm the slide, and she began to turn the handle, disregarding the knuckle-knocker about 1/4 of the way up from the locked position. As the door began to swing open, she noticed the slide pack hinge open and the fabric slip out. She let out a little shriek, and using all her might, pulled the door back in. She disarmed it this time, and all ended well. Could have been MUCH worse!

 
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RE: More Questions About Door Policies

Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:10 pm

A FA did that to me on a CO 747 about 12 years ago... No knuckle-knockers on those doors... I was trying VERY hard to keep that door closed... I lost. The only thing that kept me from becoming a pancake was the slide not inflating. (It needs to drop below door level to trigger ... As is was it just went 'plop' on the jetway floor).
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