jcs17
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My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:53 am

Today I flew EWR-MKE-DFW and had my worst experience so far with the TSA. It happened at EWR at the DL/NW/YX checkpoint. I arrived with plenty of time, and was the only person in line as I placed my backpack on the X-ray belt. I placed my cellphone, my keys, and my change in the basket, and also passed those through the machine. I went through the metal detector, and it didnt go off. However, the person at the end of the belt said that the screener wanted to have a 2nd screening of my backpack. Instantly, I thought of the camera that I had in a camera bag in my backpack. No problem...I thought. A simple explosive test will solve this...Instead they took my backback to the end of the belt. Opened it up, and started looking through it. Inside my backpack was my camera bag, and two folders packed with my microeconomics and psychology assignments...thats it. Apparently, they didnt find what they were looking for so they TURNED MY BACKPACK UPSIDE DOWN and dumped its contents onto the metal table including the camera bag. My papers went everywhere, as the agents harriedly searched through the mess of papers even (ripping a few of them) that had been created. Then they attacked my camera bag, jamming their hands into the bag without any thought that the contents might be a bit fragile. Of course, they couldnt find anything, so they took my now empty backpack and ran it through the x-ray machine again, and saw nothing. All of them were stunned, about ten of the TSA agents (collective IQ 130) gathered around the monitor to look at the image from the first time my bag passed though. The lady at the monitor said, "Fine, you can go." I look down at the table, my papers and camera equipment are everywhere, no one offers to help put my stuff back together. I shove my papers back in the folders (they are totally out of order from when they were dumped on the table). I am frustrated so I ask for a supervisor....Mimi. She waddles over and I POLITELY explain that:

A) I have expensive and fragile camera equipment in my bag, and the way that the agents just jammed their hands into the bag without any caution could have caused serious damage.

B) No one assisted me in gathering my stuff after my back had been dumped out by the agents.

Mimi, the supervisor, said, in a typical, government worker response: "Maybe you shouldnt have brought a camera, and we dont have time to help you put your stuff back in your bag." (no one was even in line behind me!!!)

Thanks a lot, TSA...just shows you are nothing better than glorified government workers.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
Continental
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:56 am

Couldn't agree more buddy. Get a load of this, I may post all this info. in a separate post!


This is the case at Mpls - the new screeners don't do as good a job as the
ones used by Globe. Don't say much for the management they have running
things there.




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> Airport Gets Poor Security Rating; More Security Screeners To
>Be Hired
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> Reported by: Jenell Walton
> Web produced by: Neil Relyea
> Photographed by: 9News
> 7/1/02 5:21:39 PM
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> A disturbing report published in USA Today reveals there are
>significant gaps in airport security systems.
> Screeners at dozens of the nation's largest airports failed to
>detect phony weapons in about 25% of recent government tests.
>
> According to the USA Today report, airports in Cincinnati,
>Jacksonville and Las Vegas had a 50% failure rate.
>
> The Greater Cincinnati-Northern Kentucky airport was rated as
>one of the worst out of 32 airports surveyed by the Transportation Security
>Administration (TSA), which used undercover agents to smuggle the phony
>weapons on board flights.
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> Airport officals have refused to comment on the security test
>failure.
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> The tests were the first of their kind since the security
>agency began overseeing checkpoint screening in February 2002.
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> The federal goverment now plans to do a complete overhaul of
>airport security systems across the country.
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> According to The Cincinnati Enquirer, the federal agency is
>now requiring tbat airport officials hire an additional 320 screeners to
>check passengers and their bags.
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> A job fair to recruit new security screeners will be held
>until 7:00 p.m. Monday at the Airport Hilton, located at 7373 Turfway Road.
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> By Monday afternoon, hundreds of applicants had already
>attended the job fair.
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> If applicants are willing to relocate the odds of getting
>hired may increase as the federal agency plans to fill 50,000 security
>personnel positions by November.
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> Many decided to apply on-line after learning about the two
>hour wait just to register on-site at the job fair.
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> Karen Chapman, of College Hill, had been in line for only 20
>minutes when she made her decision, "I could tell by the way that it was
>moving that it was very slow."
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> Applicants must have proof of U.S. citizenship, have a high
>school diploma or G.E.D., and must pass a background check as well as a
>credit check.
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> The desire to protect one's country and even one's family is
>the motivation for some.
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> "I can get the job done, make sure no criminal gets on the
>plane," said Nicholas Wright, of Kennedy Heights, "'cause I know if my
>loved ones were on the plane, I wouldn't want someone getting on the plane
>with a gun"
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> "I'm going to make sure I do my best.," added Wright.
>
> It's uncertain whether current screeners will be re-hired by
>the government agency.


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gocaps16
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:00 pm

Yea, I've never had one TSA employee helped me putting my things back. Usually, I leave my valuables going thru sercurity becuase TSA does looks into people's wallet if you take it out. I think its rude for them to go thru your valuables in your wallet. I leave it in my pocket, if they tell me to take it out, I simply will say "Hey, it's my wallet and I'll hold on to it." Or I'll simply take my credit cards and money out and then they can look into my wallet.

Kevin
 
flyf15
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:00 pm

JCS, don't you support this government and its actions though. Not to turn this into a political thread, but this is the kind of stuff people are fighting against....people shouldn't be treated this way.
 
jcs17
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Toda

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:06 pm

What? I support the governments war on terrorism and war on Hussein, and because of that sudden I should support this kind of awful service? One has nothing to do with the other. I could care less if the TSA is government run, but they way that the manner in which they emptied and searched my bag was disgraceful, arrogant and dangerous. I mean, what would have happened if they had broken my camera? Do you think I'd be getting my money back from the government? C'mon! The explanation is a joke, and it is truly government worker at its best.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
Dazed767
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:14 pm

Here's my quick story about the TSA:

Going through FLL to get on my WN flight back to MCO. I place my stuff in the tray etc...but the agent tells me I can leave my wallet in my pocket (already know I'll go off now)....and sure enough I do. So they scan my shoes etc, and asks to look in my wallet, I said ok. He see's my platnium visa card and says "How'd you get a platnium card"? "Are you rich or something"? "I can't even get one of those!" "How old are you?" (I replied with my age of 21), and as I say this he calls his buddy over and remarks again. I really though it was OUT OF LINE that he did this. If I wasn't so tired, I probably would have told him it was non of his business took his name down and went on my way. They have some real winners with the TSA.
 
nonrevman
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:23 pm

JCS17,

I understand what you are going through. My favorite part is when they are through with the contents of your bag which are spread out on a long metallic table, and they say this:

"Since you packed it and you know how everything fits, we will let you repack the bag"

{sarcasm} Oh, do I really get to pack my own bag again? Gee, thanks! {/sarcasm}

Fortunately, this has only happened a couple of times. I noticed you said you brought a camera. It turns out that a cable release was the object of their fear one time, so if you have one of those, put it towards the outside of your bag. After all, a cable release in coiled form appears to be a rather frightening object to some people. The other time, it was my car keys. Maybe the jagged shape of the keys put the fear of God into them. Who knows....

With that aside, I still think that TSA is much better than what we had before. I can at least explain to the TSA rep in English what a cable release is and what it does. Before TSA replaced the other people, that would not have been possible 4 out of 5 times.
 
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:25 pm

That is all fine and good. But don't you feel FAR SAFER with these people on the job?

*holds back the sarcastic laughter*

The private screeners were just as bad. But now they have an infinite and largely undefined mandate... which means they can now run amock in incompetant fashion.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
 
747firstclass
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:46 pm

At STL my girl friend and I were going through and something caught their interest in my carry on bag. They examined it and whatever it was was found right away. However, in finding it they found a box of condoms in my carry on.
My girl friend was right there and the agent said "It looks like you 2 are going to have a good time" I said we are and he asked me if they were lubricated.
I was outraged beyond belief. I took names etc. and wrote a letter. So far I have heard nothing.Cant believe it is the first, last or only time they will ever find those in carry on luggage.
 
exusair
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:55 pm

Check out this link regarding how far gone the TSA is.....


http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20030318-26452960.htm
 
2912n
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:09 pm

The first time one of those "screeners" jams his hand into a bag without looking and jabs himself on someones dirty needle they will change their ways.

This is what happens when you take people, give them a bare minumum of training and turn them loose without proper supervision. Instead of letting security professionals deal with security we go the cheap route.
 
HlywdCatft
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:22 pm

I have said this over and over again. TSA is nothing but a politically correct organization that targets 80 year old women and families with kids bound for Disney World, but they let Habib and Mohamed walk thru without searching their robes and towel wrap on their heads out of fear of a discrimination lawsuit.

 
speedport
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:06 pm

What? Rude and thoughtless TSA agents? This is beyond belief. I am shocked and mortified. How could this have happened?  Big grin

I am reminded of a cartoon I saw after Congress passed a taxpayer reform bill against the IRS.

It was of two Frankenstein characters wearing happy faces.

This is what federalizing airport security has done. It has created Frankensteins with happy faces.
 
tu154m
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:16 pm

Here's a good one. Both me and the wife work for a US major airline. While flying home(ATL) from SEA last year we got stopped at the checkpoint. The wife went straight through-no problem. I, after placing my airline ID and my SIDA badge into the basket with my wallet and ticket, then proceeded to place my camera bag/backpack on the xray. As soon as they saw the camera about 3 of them went to the end to meet it. I set off the xray(beltbuckle) and was taken to an area to be searched. They made me take off my belt, shoes and untuck my shirt-while they frisked me with one of those wand devices. Two other ones looked through my bag.....not finding anything(I did have to turn on my camera). I then walked to the gate with my shoes, belt and camera bag in total disarray. While I dressed at the gate I was told by the wife to calm down. Funny thing is that I am diabetic.....they didn't even look twice at my needles, tester with lancets, or bottles of insulin!!!! I was stopped again and had the bag torn apart by the "gate security" while boarding. The airline ID with a US Customs seal never got a 2nd glance either!!! Next time I travel, I'm melting some chocolate bars in my underwear and placing them on top of my bag..........wonder how far they will go!!!
Steve
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lasbagman
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 3:10 pm

Continental :
The story you posted was dated 7/1/02 and stated Las Vegas had a 50% fail rate. I hate to bust your bubble, but Argenbright was LAS security company here at the time. I did GSC duty at the checkpoint till October 20, 2002. TSA took over all security at that time. So basically the story is about Argenbright.

Lasbagman
 
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:02 pm

Well, guys, suck it up...this is just a part of what the Bush regime has decided is good for this country.  Yeah sure

Customs officials in the former Soviet Union are more polite and professional than this...and that speaks volumes.
 
speedport
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:49 pm

Next time I travel, I'm melting some chocolate bars in my underwear and placing them on top of my bag

You may be on to something.

Ever hear of the British punk band "Sex Pistols?" On their first, and only, tour to America, they were subject to a special security screening at Heathrow due to the groups wild reputation. Word is that once the screening agents got a look at the underwear of bass guitarist Sid Vicious, they didn't want anything else to do with the rest of the group and let them go on their way. Big grin
 
Turbolet
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Toda

Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:43 pm

Move to Malta, you'll love it here.

At GZM, where there's no x-ray machine, screeners will merely take a peek at the TOP LAYER of your carry-on luggage. At MLA, there's standard x-ray machines and I've NEVER, and I repeat NEVER, had to open my carry-on.

If you set off the metal detector, as I normally do, you'll be wanded around the waist area and have your trouser pockets patted down. Never have I been asked to remove any item of clothing, including belts, watches and so on.

Passing through security here in Malta never took me longer than thirty seconds, excluding queuing, but there's usually no queue either.
 
Maniac
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:38 pm

First, before you make this a political debate, Bush and the GOP were opposed to federal screeners, only after 9/11 did they jump on the band wagon.

Second, I wonder how much some of you fly. I have seen nothing but vast improvement in treatment in most cities. Do any of you remember Globe aviation services? good god, those guys were the most incompetent outfit I have ever seen.

Yes, your bag will get ripped apart if it looks like you have something really bad. Take the time to talk to the TSA agents, they will turn the X-ray machine monitor to show you what they are concerned about. Normally, if you have something that looks like plastic explosives, they get pretty concerned. (My spare laptop battery does the trick). I have learned to take it out and place it in a bin. They can see it better, and they don't give me any trouble.

As for racial profiling, seeing how it is illegal, the TSA has to scan everyone the same, from three year olds to Muslim college students.

Maybe I just have been lucky, but the TSA is not some conservative conspiracy bent on taking away your civil liberties. Does it stop all contraband from getting on the plane? Of course not. No one can have a 100% success rate and keep up the speed necessary to get all the passengers through security.
 
meechy36
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:09 pm

As a flight attendant I am constantly passing through security and think that it has improved 100% since the private security firms got the boot. I like the fact that they make eye contact with everyone and greet each person unlike the past ones who couldn't be bothered to look up from their cell phone call.

I travel with an ipod, lap top, digital camera, cell phone, walkman, headphones, batteries, chargers for all of the above and miscellaneous cords, etc. I place everything in separate sandwich bags so if they have to dig through my bag they just have to lift them out without taking everything out, it keeps my possessions safer from damage. Also when the TSA do "dig through" my bag, they put it back just the way they found it, unlike those past idiots who would dump out your bag, rummage through it and just push your stuff to the end of the belt and leave you to throw everything back in. I just have to say that the stress level of passing through checkpoints now is nil.

The people I see that have the most problems are the ones who haven't picked up a newspaper or turned on a TV since September 10th, 2001. They don't empty their pockets, don't take laptops out of their cases or keep their coats on as they pass through, then get all tourqued when they are called out for additional screening.

My take on security is it is better than it was prior to the TSA safety wise, do I have complete faith in them? Of course not. For that to happen we would have to go the route of El Al including racial profiling. It can't happen in a country that uses aviation as widely as the US and also because of civil liberties.

Mike-BOS
 
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:24 pm

Poor baby. I hope the rest of your day was better...
 
ouboy79
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:55 pm

The best TSA story...well one of the best, that i've heard to date was a destroyed bag. Bag was screened by TSA...sealed and locked by the TSA agent - at the request of the passenger. The bag never made it to the original city and was put on a later flight out of the city it went to. At that point, the bag ended up being rescreened by the TSA - even though it didn't need to...since the TSA seal was still in tact. Also, since the bag was locked by the TSA agent...they proceeded to rip the zipper completely off the bag - instead of just cutting the lock. In turn, the bag was worthless and the airline had to eat the bag claim.

I'll be happy when the TSA people get a reality check, whatever it may be...and realize they aren't gods gift to air travel - they are a quick patch to a larger problem.
 
jjbiv
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:07 pm

The TSA seems to try hard, but they always end up failing. This morning I had a TSA supervisor make his screeners gather for a daily briefing at 0530 -- after we'd been checking in pax for our flight for an hour. There was a gentleman waiting to have his luggage screened, and the TSA supervisor made the screener tell the gentleman to wait with his luggage while he proceeded to join the morning "pep rally." Then, of course, I had to get into it with the supervisor for ignoring our customers. The TSA has no concept that the people they are screening are the lifeblood of this industry. No matter how annoying they may be, our customers are what allow the rest of us (ex. perhaps the TSA) to have great jobs that we mostly love. Try ramming that crazy notion into the heads of the "few, the proud"...the TSA...

My other TSA pet peeves include the fact that they never answer their "Consumer Response Center" toll-free number and that they will rarely let me through the checkpoint with a valid SIDA badge along with my air carrier ID. It's always a fight when they insist on seeing my boarding pass... What idiots. They need to read the security directives that they publish and make the airlines adhere to.

joe
 
RoyalDutch
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:28 pm

In my experience, the TSA people have been nicer and more helpful than most airline personnell...
 
jcs17
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Toda

Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:28 pm

I noticed you said you brought a camera. It turns out that a cable release was the object of their fear one time, so if you have one of those, put it towards the outside of your bag. After all, a cable release in coiled form appears to be a rather frightening object to some people. The other time, it was my car keys. Maybe the jagged shape of the keys put the fear of God into them.

I think that my memory cards couldve done the trick. After all, they are small, and rectangular, and presumably have some kind of metal embedded inside the plastic shell. That being said, as they jammed their hands into my camera bag, not once did they care about what was inside my translucent memory card case, in which I had two memory cards inside...I mean, it would have been awfully easy to hide something in between the two cards.

Well, guys, suck it up...this is just a part of what the Bush regime has decided is good for this country.

Uhh, the Bush regime was opposed to this...

Customs officials in the former Soviet Union are more polite and professional than this...and that speaks volumes.

Yeah, and you could always complain or protest about the government screening procedures in the USSR.  Yeah sure

Move to Malta, you'll love it here.

I think about my move to Malta daily  Smile

I like the fact that they make eye contact with everyone and greet each

I could really care less if they greet me, I just want my stuff scanned and I want to get on with my life. That being said, most TSA agents I have encountered are really friendly and talkative (in English!).

Also when the TSA do "dig through" my bag, they put it back just the way they found it, unlike those past idiots who would dump out your bag, rummage through it and just push your stuff to the end of the belt and leave you to throw everything back in

Unfortunately, thats not the way it went this time...I could care less if they take all my stuff out of my backpack. It is the fact that they TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN and dumped its contents onto a metal table, causing my papers do go everywhere. And, no one offered to help me retrieve the papers and help put everything back.

Second, I wonder how much some of you fly. I have seen nothing but vast improvement in treatment in most cities. Do any of you remember Globe aviation services? good god, those guys were the most incompetent outfit I have ever seen.

I usually travel once every 2-3 months, and this is the first time that I have had a real bitch with the TSA. I have gone through the Continental terminal at EWR and had no problem with the TSA there. This was an isolated experience, but it was an awful one at that.

Lets face it, most of these people are Globe and other private security agents that just recieved govt training.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
 
MSPMAN
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:17 am

My experience with the TSA has been good expecially at GRR which was one of the first airports to change over to the TSA. In MSP, just for having different shoes, I got everything but a strip search. If they did do a strip search I would have missed my plane.
JB
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DSMav8r
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:25 am

I think the quality of screening varies from airport to airport. I have had nothing but positive experiences here in OMA, all of the screeners have been very professional and courteous. I travel almost on a weekly basis, usually with a Tamrac photopack jammed with 2 camera bodies and 4 or 5 lenses. I can honestly say, I only recall being searched a few times and those were usually the pathetic random gate screenings.

Other airports I have found to be less professional (FLL, DTW, DEN, and SEA come to mind). I usually encounter the disgruntled vigilante who can barely speak any English that is always willing to pull aside the attractive women for additional screening...just an opinionated observation. Maybe it is those darn underwire bras!  Big grin Seriously, even though I think the establishment of the TSA was knee-jerk and something we will live to regret, the screeners are better than the private variety.
To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
 
UN_B732
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:48 am

TSA people are very friendly, or somewhat friendly once at JFK. I've never found them to be surly/mean.
Unlike the private screeners who have been excessively rude, when I took a wrong turn at IAD and left the sterile zone without my parents. urrrgghhhh...
If you want professional screening go to Russia. The woman who are hired by the police in the short skirts and green jackets do a great job, and are very friendly about screening, I saw them really go through an old-lady once, they had to strip-search her! (private room of course)
-Transaero Boeing 737-200
What now?
 
flyinryan99
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:07 am

"I was stopped again and had the bag torn apart by the "gate security" while boarding. The airline ID"

Airline employees are exempt from the gate screening process. ;o) I woulda laughed at them if I were to be screened at the gate.

"that they will rarely let me through the checkpoint with a valid SIDA badge along with my air carrier ID."

Remember Joe....our ticket 'checkers' still aren't a part of the TSA...they are ITS...so who knows where the lack of communication (or knowledge) is.

Ry
 
jjbiv
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:03 am

The ticket checkers are fairly easy to get past -- most of the time. The TSA folks who check your boarding pass as you pass through the checkpoint are the people who can be really difficult -- for a rather obvious reason -- they don't know which way to send you  Wink/being sarcastic

joe
 
kevi747
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:43 am

I actually prefer that they not put my stuff back in my bag. They always cram it back in some wierd way and mess it all up. I like to do it myself because I know how I want it done.
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av8rphx
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:02 pm

I fly weekly out of PHX and have never had any issues with the TSA at PHX or my destinations. I have actually found them to be helpful. Last week i was getting ready to go through the metal detector when one of the TSA employees motioned at me pointing at my shirt,obviously pointing out my sunglasses which i had left on my shirt. So while I do not feel completely "safe" with the TSA in place,they do a better job than their non English speaking buddies over at Globe and Argenbright.
 
LFutia
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:20 pm

I's rather have the security in India go through my bag than the TSA...

Here are 12 steps on how the Indian's do security.

Time for people to know how to go through security in an Indian Airport

1. Place checked luggage in X-ray machine.
2. Claim checked luggage
3. Check in and stuff
4. Place hand baggage in X-ray machine
5. Walk through the metal detector
6. Step into the Male cubicle if you are a guy and go to the female if you are a girl.
7. Get frisked and have your ticket stamped
8. Pick up your hand baggage and get it searched
9. After Indian officials are satisfied, get your cabin baggage tag stamped and get your ticket stamped.
10. Wait for boarding call and have your bags checked again. After Indian officials are satisfied, get your cabin baggage tag stamped and get your ticket stamped again!
11. Pickup your bags and go outside.
12. Get frisked again and then once the officials are satisfied, board your bus.
Take note of these 12 steps if you are planning on going to India! They come in handy!

There you have 12 steps of how to do airport security in India

So which is better? TSA or the Indian way?

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flpuck6
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:22 pm

Just to throw my 2 cents in:

I am definitely for a government agency running airport security check points (US-English-speaking-citizens).

I am NOT a fan of the agents behaving like they are the kings of the world. While they are US-English-speaking-citizens, they're not any more special than the average Joe-schmo.
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:43 pm

The only difference between the TSA and the way it was is the TSA has been given a license to be dicks.

Don't believe me? TSA agents can yank a pilots license if they want to. No due process, not really any chance for appeal. They can just take someone's career away if they don't like him/her.

I had three problems with TSA in a short amount of time:

1. While going through with my camera, I like to put it one of the grey tubs. This has never been a problem up until this time one of the agents took my camera bag out of the tub and placed it on the belt UPSIDE DOWN. I take my bag back and tell him politely, "I'd really like to place it in a tub, I have an expensive camera in here and I want it to be protected." He replied with "We're not allowed to do that" and PULLED MY BAG OUT OF MY HANDS, and walked away with it. At the time I didn't know where, but needless to say I was pissed. I walk through and find out that he gave it to another agent to run through the ETD and do a hand search. They take everything out, and it ends up taking five times as long as it would to just run it through the belt. I had a talk with his supervisor.

2. I beeped once and I get called in and sit down. No exaggerating, the agent who was going to search me stood with his legs apart, hands on his hips and leaned into me. He was so close I actually had to sit back in the chair. He proceeds to go into the "This is a metal detecting wand, and when it beeps I'm going to have to do a hand search..." speech. I say "ok". He starts the speech over. I say ok again, and he says, and I wish I was kidding: "Sir, every time you talk I'm going to start this speech over." I had a talk to his supervisor.

3. One time an agent wouldn't let me go through without taking off my sweater. I could look through and see about five people that were wearing sweaters. I refused, and talked to her supervisor, who let me go through, and surprise, I didn't beep.

It's a facade. It's the ILLUSION of security, which I think is even worse. As an airline employee and former GSC I can say with confidence that they make no difference other than single handedly f'ing up the airline industry.

If you have problems, talk to the supervisor. At my home airport, the have a "customer service supervisor". They won't do anything, but at least venting to someone will make you feel better. Sadly, that's just about the only rights you have left.
 
KROC
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:54 pm

Stop crying. Anyway, I heard that TSA agents were soon to be wearing orange vests..... lol
 
jcs17
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Toda

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:22 pm

Of course, KROC, stands up for one of his own, government worker!  Big grin
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AlexG
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:55 am

Some words how security checks went at HER, Greece, last summer.

Step 1: Put onto the x-ray belt what you want to have checked. This seems to be an completely automatic machine (wow!), since there's no-one watching the screen. The guy who apparently should do this, moved his chair further on to the metal detector to have a better talk with his fellas.

Step 2: Go through the metal detector.

Step 3: If there's an alarm, answer "Yes" to the question "Metal waist belt buckle?", coming over from one of the chat conglomerate. Don't know for sure, if answering "No" makes any difference, though...

Step 4: Grab your bag and go.


Immigrating to HER is easy, too. Disembark the plane, go to the terminal building, open the door and feel free to choose your lane. Hint: Head for "Schengen agreement", if you are not really interested in passport controls. Claim your baggage and feel free to go everywhere in Europe without further controls.

Security controls (which are still very tight in Germany) are really worth a sh*t if they are processed in that one-directional way.
 
Continental
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RE: My Awful Experience With The Good Ol' TSA Today

Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:04 am

Av8rPHX: I'm pretty sure the old screeners spoke English, or they'd never get the job. Not saying they knew the dictionary from a to z, but I can asure you that they indeed spoke English.

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