dens
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Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:57 am

I've just read a very interesting comment about the Swiss management:

Switzerland is fantastic. Not only do we have the best chocolate and the best watches of the World, we do now also host the best airline manager. Swiss International Air Lines released today the list of the first batch of six Saab 2000 leaving the fleet at the end of March: HB-IZB / HB-IZC / HB-IZD / HB-IZE / HB-IZF / HB-IZT. With a fleet of almost thirty Saab 2000 the challenge was very hard to reach, but they did it... Out of the six aircraft mentioned above, the first five all have something in common: they all belong to the only nine Saab 2000 that had already been repainted in the new Swiss colors. Who cares ? The taxpayers who gave three billion Swiss Francs to the airline one year ago won't even notice how their money is used. Switzerland, twelve point


http://dptsassociation.homestead.com/news.html

what do you think about it....
 
Snoopy
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:03 am

I think it's nitpicking......
 
saab2000
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:32 am

It does not seem like nitpicking to me. Our management seems to act constantly without any logic.

I would doubt that this airline has a future at all.

smrtrthnu
 
Thomas_Jaeger
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:49 am

I think this is just typical.

I just wanted to add two examples, but the guys of DPTS also have it on their website, so I just copied it from there:

"Geneva will be affected in a far lesser extent than Basle or Zurich by the network reduction. Only three destinations (Alicante, Sevilla and Berlin) will be dropped, while frequencies to Basle and Lugano will be reduced and Paris and Rome even increased. In pure Swiss excellent management, the route Geneva-Berlin now declared unprofitable was considered a few weeks ago as doing so well that a third daily rotation was to be added this summer. And while the three axed destinations were served solely by Swiss without any competition out of Geneva, the airline prefers to add frequencies on capitals already served by other airlines, especially Paris where Swiss faces the eleven daily Air France flights and of course the aggressive competition of EasyJet. Time will say how good those choices are..."

Swiss later said to several reporters that the Berlin route was profitable but they wanted to change from Saab 2000 to ERJ-145 and that the aircraft would not be able to fly nonstop from THF to GVA, so they had applied for slots in TXL and didn't get very useful ones and therefore decided to drop the route because they thought they couldn't operate ERJ-145s profitably from/to TXL. I'm not an expert but I really doubt an ERJ-145 can't operate a 1h30min flight out of THF.
Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
 
Loadcontroller
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:00 am

Some weeks ago, the flight ZRH-TUN-ZRH was operated by a ERJ-145. Seems to be a bigger distance to me, even though I am not a geographical expert....

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pothiabs
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:01 am

I don't care what they think about their airline management because their airline management doesn't care about them, but the best chocolate in the world is Belgian.
 
Loadcontroller
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:06 am

I do not agree on that, Pothiabs. But it's a free world and off the topic.

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Loadcontroller
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:06 am

...the chocolate thing, I mean...
 
pothiabs
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:00 am

Let's keep it that way, then we don't have to share any chocolate.
 Wink/being sarcastic
 
airways
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:01 pm

This DPTS report is a joke, isn't it?

Did you ever consider the financial aspect? We don't know how they have financed the 6 planes. Perhaps they have the highest leasing rates. Or what about maintenance cycles? Perhaps these particular Saabs were due for a heavy maintenance, a cabin upgrade? Or perhaps they were the oldest ones?

What I want to say, there are so many other factors about which we don't know anything. Of course they were in the new colours, but I assume they have been painted during regular maintenance. And there are many other aspects about which we have to care about.

Michael
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Jumbolino
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:23 pm

@Michael
I'm relative sure that THIS report IS NOT a joke, oh well of course the people in the management are a big joke  Wink/being sarcastic

Jutta.
Kind Regards, Jutta.
 
RJ100
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:39 pm

Hello

The ERJ-145 is able to land in THF! I have even seen pictures of that.

Also, Basle-Bilbao-Basle was mentioned to be one of the most profitable routes in the regional sector of Swiss (according to a Swiss spokesman last autumn). However this route will be dropped soon...
I seriously doubt that they will make more money on GVA-CDG.

RJ100
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dens
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:07 pm

RJ100,

impossible for Swiss to make money on the GVA-CDG route. How can swiss compete with Air France (11 daily flights. Ticket costs CHF 129.-) and Easy Jet(4 daily flight. CHF 60.-.)??? And don't forget that Geneva-Paris by train is just a little more than 3 hours by train!!!!
Swiss should drop this route!
 
RJ100
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RE: Swiss Management

Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:14 pm

Yes I agree with you.

They are going the wrong way. They stop all flights without competition (where they would earn higher fares) but try to compete with other airlines on routes like GVA-CDG.

We'll see what happens. The good thing at Geneva is that there are already a lot of different carriers so if SWISS goes under you won't have big problems.

Zurich and Basle will have more problems...another reason why I hope that SWISS will survive. But it seems that the management is not much better than the old SR management...

Regards,
RJ100
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rey777
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RE: Swiss Management

Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:49 am

Did that management make Swissair go bankrupt ?
Oh, Ok I understand then ! Hope that they understand something in business...  Nuts

Rey777 (well, I'm not good in business, but I hope to have a little bit of logic !)
 
Jumbolino
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RE: Swiss Management

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:25 am

Rey, swiss management doesn't understand something in business and they are not logical thinking  Wink/being sarcastic

well, see you on saturday  Smile/happy/getting dizzy (currently try to improve my french, you could give me a lesson for free  Wink/being sarcastic only to avoid misunderstanding I've currently a french course booked ...)

Jumbolino.

PS: of course the management changed (a little bit) but many, many people from SR times currently hold the same position then before, so well, they changed the viewable part of the management (from pyramide the first or second row from above ....)
Kind Regards, Jutta.

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