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First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:20 am

Hey all,

I just came across this picture of the first Air Canada A340-500.
It looks nice, especially those RR engines.

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?94602

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:40 am

Is that a Caravelle nose in the shot?
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:09 pm

AC_B777,

You need get longer zoom with 500mm and next time that will taking you on the ramp tour with the Airbus area. I should you like see better shot into the a.net for next time. OK? Thanks!!

Regards!

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:16 pm

Looks like a 343 on drugs. Can't wait to see it, and the 346.
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 12:58 pm

Great! Thanks for posting it!

I still haven't heard definitively if AC will be starting a YYZ-HKG route yet. Has this been confirmed?


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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:04 pm

Neil, we know bloody well that it will be YUL-HKG. I mean obviously there's a huge lucrative un-tapped market for flights to HKG from YUL.

It's SO underserved.  Big grin
 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:07 pm

I think that if it has not been submitted yet that it probably will not happen this summer...summer sched gets underway in a few weeks...I think that it will just remain on the existing long haul routes like YYZ-NRT, for the summer untill AC can figure out what is going on...if they survive and hammer out the new collective agreements then they can get YYZ-HKG (And YYZ-JNB  Big grin ) going...ACA website still shows the 345 on the YYZ-NRT route through the summer...
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:19 pm

AC & the unions have had several years since the 345 was ordered to hammer out the agreements on staffing the ultra-long range flights. So now the 345 will enter service with AC not able to exploit its range. Another failure for AC and its unions.

Well, whatever profits (if any) AC makes on the YYZ-NRT route with the 343 will now likely disappear by using the far more expensive 345. Terrific.




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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:19 pm

yeah that does look better, I thought the DC-8-70 was brought back to life for a moment...

looks better than those hair dryers on the wings
 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:26 pm

Cool! Thanks for the sneek-peek!
I assume Air canada is hoping to do some financial restructuring in order to pave the way for these new airplanes. The clock must be ticking rather loudly.
What are the odds of AC canceling or futher defering the order?

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:14 pm

Hey Von... go watch your WJ 737.... its alright.. Make sure you wear your cowboy hat while you ride in your pick up truck  Big thumbs up

THe first A345, in amadeus, is showing YYZNRT nonstop..

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:34 pm

ScottysAir,

I didn't actually take the picture. I saw the picture on planepictures.net and posted the link here.
I did a search first to make sure it hadn't already been posted.
I realize that the plane is quite a distance away, but thought it would be interesting to post since it is the first picture.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:31 pm

Last i heard the first one will be delivered somewhere around Apr 15, and the next about mid May.
 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:29 am

Scottysair,
Not everyone can go out and buy an expensive lense, and then on top of that get a tour of the AB ramp on a whim  Big grin

777:
Thanks for bringing the photo to our attention. Those RR's are HUGE! Looks much more appealing than the hair dryers they have slapped on the A342/3.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:41 am

It might be more cost effective for AC to introduce that Caravelle, maybe to replace 737-200's. I think it would look good in the Zip jelly bean colours. Just a thought.
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:26 am

Yyz717 wrote:
"Well, whatever profits (if any) AC makes on the YYZ-NRT route with the 343 will now likely disappear by using the far more expensive 345. Terrific. "
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First things that popped in my head was .. increased cargo lift ability and no more Anchorage stops in bad headwinds.
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:33 am

Does the current YYZ-NRT 343 make frequent ANC stops due the headwinds?

If so, the 345 might make sense, even if it does not utilize the range its designed for.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:34 am

This is the Air Craft to have the PTVs!!! I wonder how it will look on the inside. I hope someone gets some nice fotos of it!
 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 12:00 pm

What are the planned routes for this lovely bird?

YYZ-NRT ok any other one?
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:04 pm

YYZ-SYD.....i think they might?

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:11 pm

YYZ-SYD was one of the proposals, but if it happens, wont be anytime soon. Maybe when they get 600's and use those to Asia.
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:21 pm

I think it was YVR-SYD and/or YYZ-HKG. Both of which would utilize the exceptional range of the 345 if only for low-yield routes.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:14 pm

YYZ-SYD, I dont think would be the best option.. but AC can market themselves as the only ones offering a non-stop to Australia from the East Coast.... but very unrealistic.

 
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:40 pm

I've rarely heard of stops in ANC, but I know that the flight is payload restricted...and with cargo being such a big part of this route paying pax have been asked to get off....The current ACA001 does not carry nearly the same amount of people/cargo as CDN001 did back in the DC-10 days...By adding the 345 to the route the could avoid the payload restrictions and really use the route to it's max just like CP did....
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:17 am

So the old DC-10-30ER had a greater payload/range than the current baseline 343? That's amazing.

What's the usual pax restriction on YYZ-NRT? 30 passengers or so?



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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:32 am

Slawko, I have a hard time believing that. The A340-300 is a slightly larger aircraft than the DC-10-30. I also doubt they flew non-stop from YYZ. Take into account higher fuel consumption, and what you said just doesn't add up. But I'll gladly be corrected if I'm wrong!
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:14 am

CP did indeed fly YYZ-NRT vv nonstop with their DC-10-30ER until 1999.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:20 am

Wow, bring back the 3-holer!
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:24 am

It is asinine that AC & unions cannot agree on rest procedures. Why waste a perfectly good aircraft? This thing has the longest range of anything currently operating in Canada!

It took Delta 2 years before they finally struck an agreement with ALPA about crew rest & 767-400 direct service ATL-HNL. The solution was to install a curtain around 2 first class seats. 2 years to agree on THAT? Hopefully AC can work faster than that, but I have my doubts.
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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:55 am

That's one hell of a dirty aircraft peeking into the shot from the left. I've been trying to find a closer shot of this aircraft but have had no luck so far.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:54 pm

Is DC-10-30ER really that amazing? How can it fly from YYZ-NRT non-stop without any technical stop in between? How about payload restrictions? If A343 has payload restriction on the route, how could DC-10 serve the route without any?
Hmmm..., it is also hard to believe that AC asks pax to get off in order to make room for the cargo. Usually cargo is the one has to standby instead of pax.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:37 pm

Great circle distance between YYZ (Toronto) and NRT (Tokyo) is 5,615 nautical miles = 10,400 km. The A343 range is 7,300 nautical miles = 13,500 km with 295 passengers. AC A343 has 284 seats, and with all seats filled - they can still add around 20 tons of cargo and reach NRT with a good margin.

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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:16 pm

Much better shot!


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RE: First AC A340-500 Picture

Fri Mar 28, 2003 10:22 pm

CP used DC10-30ER for HKG-YVR non-stop in early 90's.
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