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Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:01 am

Hi guys.

Is Air France having serious financial problems?

By the looks of this Boeing 737-5, they can't even afford paint!  Wow!

How could they allow this 737 to look so bad? Is it scheduled to be sold in the near future ..... thus they don't care what it looks like?

This photo cracks me up!  Laugh out loud


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:05 am

........either that or they flew so fast the paint came off !

AF are not known to polish their planes frequently.
 
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:06 am

In April last year I asked myself the same question when I flew on F-GJNX:


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:11 am

Maybe they're not used to having METAL under the paint  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:14 am

Well they've sure got something going on because they don't clean 'em and the paint comes off. must be another cost-saving tactic......


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:20 am

Well, F-GJNZ has been losing it's paint for 3 quarters of a year now.

If I was an airline pilot that had to fly this jet, I'd put a bag over my head during my external walk around check, then dive into the cockpit as quick as possible!

How embarassing! I feel sorry for this 737.  Sad


The paint's was already falling off last June!


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Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:38 am

Hello,

Look how appallingly dirty this A340 is:


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Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:39 am


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:00 am

Now now now guys...


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TWFirst wrote: Yet more evidence that France "has no culture"...

I find that comment completely unwarrented, no matter how sarcastic you meant it to be, or even if you did not mean it.

And no, I do not work for the airline  Big grin LOL.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:17 am

Hello Flpuck6.

Yes Sir, that A330, A340 and 777 sure are mighty powerful and sexy looking aircraft .....and they're clean.  Big thumbs up However, let me ask you this. Why do they get to have paint on them, but the poor little Baby Boeings are allowed to look like they've been "sand blasted"?

Does Air France not care about their little Thunder Guppies anymore?

Give me a paint brush and I'd have that 737-5 in the first photo I posted looking like new in ONE hour.

What's Air France's excuse???


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:27 am

Maybe "Air France" likes the paint loss because it makes there jets lighter! Therefore, they can save money on fuel!!! LOL

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:42 am

Well I hope their planes fly alright, I am flying them on June 20th from YYZ to CDG for the airshow.  Big grin.
 
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:12 am

I must admit, I have no explanation as to why they allow a plane's paint to desintegrate so much. It looks horrible, I agree, and if I were a passenger, it would diminish my confidence just a little bit (but as an aviation enthusiast and spotter, I know better lol).

Anyone remember 767-300 F-GHGG with all the paint falling off the nose?


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But let's not blow things out of proportion. The aircraft remain in tip-top mechanical shape and an aircraft's paint job has nothing to do with how well it is painted.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:50 am

The French aren't known to bathe often so I guess their planes get the same treatment as a Frenchman, cosmetically.

i know i know....its a stereotype. But really, they DO have the dirtiest planes around!
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:52 am

Why don't they paint over sections where the paint has peeled off?

A streak of yellow should do the trick.
 
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:00 am

They should go the American Airlines way, that will take care of the paint peeling of the planes and dirt wouldn't show that much.  Yeah sure



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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:23 am

They should go the American Airlines way, that will take care of the paint peeling of the planes and dirt wouldn't show that much

Yeah, but then ask American how much they spend on cabin temperature regulation and anticorrosives for their aircrafts' skin Big grin
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:34 am

Actually wouldn't that be kind of cool? A silver fuselage with the red/blue?

Let's hold it with the stereotypes folks, please.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:59 am

Take A close look at this one:




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It even looks like there letting the "ol Speedbirds' get dirty all for the
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:24 am

You haven't seen dirty until you've seen THIS.

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:45 am

AF has the most disgusting planes of any airline. The other day I saw an AF Airbus 319 at LHR that was so dirty it looked brown.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:52 am

Looking at that last photo, maybe they are conducting experiments for the two major manufacturers as to the direction and effects of air flow around the fuselage  Innocent

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:52 pm

Weird how those two 735s have paint peeling off in the same places. Has to be something wrong withthe paint jobs.
By the way, I've seen some Alitalia planes looking pretty dirty, too. Especially around the APU outlet.

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:43 pm



WOW. Dont people at AF see. The poor 737 looks like if it has some bad skin rash. Like battle scars of flying with Air France.

Now I feel a bit on the paltry side for being upset that BWIA 340 had paint peel on the tail it has gotten worst than what is in the pic but still AF peel makes it seem so miniscule.


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:41 pm

I can offer an explaination for the paint pealing on the 737 and 767.
Those aircraft are being removed from service at AF. That's why they don't repaint them.

As for the dirt... I believe it shows more on an Eurowhite fuselage than on a coloured livery...

And as for the French being dirty, I can assure you, to weeks ago I spend more than one hour rubbing and washing the plane I just flew so it would stay shiny ! (and after that I went directly to take a shower)

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:10 pm

You are all wrong, all those paintings are special liveries  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:48 am

These airplanes are utilized so frequently that we don't have time to clean them, and that's a good thing. The 747-400's are all being repainted and refitted with new seats in economy when it's time for their mandatory C or D checks, which take them out of service anyway. AF does not have the operational resources to take a 747-400 out of the rotation to clean it. Passengers rarely even see the aircraft they are flying on from the outside, and i've never seen anyone refuse to board one of our flights due to dirt on the fuselage.
 
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:52 am

Word has it that AF has been saving cost
at all ends. They have used cheap thin paint
on several of their aircraft. Now they have
noticed, spray cleaning those planes just
strips this thin paint off quite easily.
So what the heck leave em get dirty!
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:44 am

Look at those windows.

Unbelievable!

This AF A-340 looks like it's so sad that it's eye liner makeup is running from all the tears of shame!

I just had to post one last photo. hehehe


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:03 am

I flown on AF A320's and 737's, and they looked as if they were involved in a war. Buy not to worry, AF's planes are in a safe as condition possible.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:40 am

Well, I must say this is the cleanest airplane I have ever seen....


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 4:03 am

hi

yes there is a problem with AF white which isn't white anymore
as said before, AF has no time to take a plane out of rotation to clean them, this is seen as a detail, especially nowadays

most important : the brownish A340 or B777 you see landing one day in America was possibly the day before on the African network

it means it lands one day in sandstorm in COO (cotonou) or LOS (lagos) and then rotates at CDG to say ATL....the rotation is 2 or 3 hours most of the times

Armatan period is western African is terrible for the planes, not only because of the dirt but because the sand is corrosive...and the AF crafts eat a lot of this brown african sand
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 8:49 am

Oh man... And I thought JAT was bad... Even their "ghost" 737s aren't this dirty (btw, most of those are gone now, and any left over ones will be soon). Is it a coincidence that the worst 735s seem to be sent to Warsaw?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:32 am

Maybe it's just laziness  Big thumbs up
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 9:46 am

Varig MD-11- You say that due to flts to Africa and the dust storms encountered, that their a/c pick up a lot of dust. What about other airlines such as LH & Swissair who also fly there? I haven't seen pics of their planes as dirty as AF. Also what about carriers such as Emirates, Egyptair, and other Mid East carriers? I can recall seeing F-GISA in ATL of couple of years ago and it was just plain FILTHY Sad.

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:38 pm

Well the paint is too expensive for them but even the Soap and water for washing their aircraft. At IAD we used to get the dirtiest AF 343's in their fleet.
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:49 pm

Well said Ben88.

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 4:39 pm

Zebfly2

LH and SR do fly there but certainly far less intensively than the daily flights to COO/ABJ/BKO/OUA (to mention among the worst dust airports) like AF does.
when you land in Ouagadougou (which I did with an A340) you land in the middle of red-earth desert, and in the Armatan period (december-march) you can't even see the ground from the plane, it's like some smog floating, except it's sand-dust.

I can't talk about middle east because I don't know the situation there; but you can bet EK has ressource to have the planes cleaned
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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 3:50 am

Certainly last years dirty plane award should go to YU-ANH, JAT Airways Boeing 737-300.

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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:50 am

Air France flew that 735 in there as a response to the challenge that LOT Polish Airlines posed with this...


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RE: Air France & Paint ... Is There A Problem?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:54 am

Triley1057,
Doing very well thanks...how do you know about that?? hehe

Back to the subject, we will be adding two new 747-400 aircraft to our fleet. One will go into service this week registration F-GITH. That should help relieve some of the operational stress in regards to -400 rotation. On a side note, UAL has suspended it's daily SFO-CDG flight making AF the sole airline to fly daily nonstops from CDG to LAX, BOS and SFO.

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