Flying-Tiger
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US Airways To Order EMB

Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:33 pm

US Airways is again seen as the US launch customer for the EMB-170/175, an order for up to 100 purchased and leased (from GECAS) aircraft could be placed within the next two months. It is expected that most of the planes will be EMB-175s as they are exactly fitting the 78 seat scope clause. Another 100 options could be taken.

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ouboy79
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:05 am

Duh. That has only been around for the last 4 months...and more so after GECAS picked up 5% of the newly reorgnized US Airways.

Also...it is Embraer 175...not EMB or ERJ. Embraer made a point to rebrand the aircraft a couple years back...let's respect that.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:21 am

Man, someone didn't get thier morning coffee today.

It will be interesting to see this materialize. Wonder if there will be two class seating?
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flyboy80
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 1:21 am

Ur not a kidding Boeing Nut... Well I'm interested to see the 175 in service with US Airways. I Wasn't aware US Airways was in the situation to do something like this, then again this is future, and Leasing. So this means US Airways plans to be Airbus/Embrear??? interesting
 
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 1:25 am

If Ouboy thinks I'm gonna take the extra keystrokes to write Embr...BULL! It's a ERJ--deal with it. Big grin TC
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:13 am

Should US Airways make it past pension and war issues, the Embraer 170 would be very well-suited to its network. The original USAir and Piedmont route systems were built around 70- and 100- seat a/c, which had big-jet cabins but not hungry 125-150 seat capacities. Most of its domestic markets are not fast-growing, and/or have LCC competition now, so why would a mostly 125- and 150-seat fleet be viable now? A319's and A320's are good to hubs from medium and larger markets, but they're too big to offer business-friendly frequencies on a lot of traditional USAir routes.

With an influx of 70-seat a/c and a reasonable cost structure, US Airways might find that it can coexist with LCC's in the East. Thank Heaven LCC's are here to stay and prevent a 1990's gougefest from happening again. But there could be a place for a well-managed US with a new approach that borrows from the best of the old.

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ouboy79
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:35 am

The Embraer 175 will have two class service...F8Y60 (or around there). First 3 arrive in September (as it stands now).

Flyboy - these will all come from GECAS, whom is one of DIP financers for US Airways and will hold 5% of the company when it emerges next week. The chunk of cash that U will have after next Monday will be primarily for RJ orders.

Jim - The pension issue has been resolved and is just waiting for plan to be terminated in the next few days. Pilots (MEC) have already ratified a new definied contribution plan that will replace the current pension. I think you are hitting the nail on the head...these jets will move into replace currently 737-300 and A-319 flying on fairly thin markets. They will also replace many CRJ-200s and ERJ-145s currently flying in the system and allow those jets to start the massive prop replacement. The 319s & 733s will then find a home elsewhere...the 319s mainly on the longer transcon flights and more flights to Caribbean.

http://www.embraer.com/english/content/aeronaves Note, it is not an ERJ-170.  Big grin
 
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:50 am

I guess Jim is getting a bit nervous that it appears his doom and gloom prediction of US folding by the end of 2003 will not occur. The company is now due to emerge from Chapter 11 in four days. The wait now is on the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to sign off on the final agreement between the pilots and management. Then the judge gives his final blessing. Then US emerges and gets a cash infusion of $1.24 billion, with $500 million of that repaying the DIP financing from RSA.

More importantly, Dr. Bronner from RSA has steadfastly said he will not let the war with Iraq doom US once they emerge. RSA has $28 billion in assets, so cash should not be an issue. US will be in an advatageous position being the first of the majors to restructure to the new marketplace, and having it done before major war impact, and having a war contingency plan in place, in terms of the employee 5% pay deferral. While not a happy time for any US employee, there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel, and it does not in fact appear to be a freight train!

It will be very interesting to see what happens when a leaner, meaner US Airways, with a substantial financing source behind it, takes on the rest of struggling major network carriers, yet to complete a way to deal with the new marketplace.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:56 am

I heard tell of two classes.

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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:56 am

These will be in the mainline fleet?

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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:25 pm

Greg,

Those aircraft will be operated by Mid-Atlantic Airways (MDA) as a division on mainline US Airways. I believe they will be in mainline markings (not 100% sure), and flown by furloughed mainline crews. Other work such as ground handling will be done by Express or Mainline-Express employees. Other furlouged mainline employees (such as mechanics) will have first hiring rights at MDA and will not give up their recall rights to do so, but will not be required to accept employment there to maintain recall rights. Contract terms are to be equal to those at American Eagle.
 
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:40 pm

I'm not a real aeronautical engineer, I just play one on Airliners.net.
 
ouboy79
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RE: US Airways To Order EMB

Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:24 pm

N628AU is on the ball - what a shock.  Smile After Monday things will start coming out in earnest as far as news releases stating the future of US Airways. A lot of exciting changes coming...who knows what they may include?

Boeing Nut....VERY GOOD! LOL Also...I did have my coffee today, so all is well and no PMSing should take place.  Big grin