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767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:17 am

Rumors are strong that ATA has ordered 5 767s plus 2 options. First A/C to arrive on base May 17. These A/C are to replace the L1011. It is also rumored that a contract will be finalized by the end of June for 9 EMB-145 for Chicago Express. Is this just a new twist on an old rumor or is there something to it this time?
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:13 am

RJs for C8...that would be lovely - but just so they don't retire the Saabs, they are currently running a schedule for 2-3 more planes than they have.
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:14 am

Which model do you think ATA will order? That would be sweet if they ordered the 764.
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:25 am

Whichever one they can pack the most people into.  Smile
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:27 am

According to the rumors the 767s are some that VARIG has returned, so I would assume 767-300s
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:08 am

I wouldn't be surprised on the returned 767s, since they can pick those up pretty cheaply. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see ATA operating 764s in the future. They would be able to pack up to 375 in there, they have the range, and there is commanality with their new 753s.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:12 am

Where would they fly these 764s with 375 people? I can't imagine 375 pax plus bags would fly very far on a 764.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 7:36 am

ATA needs an aircraft that can do 5000nm with full payload under all conditions. The 764 will have problems here, even though Boeing lists the range as 5614nm.

As far as I know, the 764 has never been an option. There are also few produced and awaiting new aircraft from the factory will take too long. The Varig rumor sounds likely - also some of the nine AA are to take this year that they neither want, nor can afford. Boeing have refused to defer delivery of these planes, as it would shut down the production line that right now is at its slowest possible pace ..

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:05 am

I didn't think MDW could handle 767 operations; that the 757-300 was the largest plane that was in use at MDW.
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:20 am

I remember seeing a photo in airways magazine of a ATA L-1011 @ MDW. maybe it was empty, etc. Could a 767 use MDW?
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:43 am

A 767 could operate from MDW but it would be severly weight restricted. For example, I'm sure it would be lucky if they could fly MDW-LAX on a fully loaded 762.
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:55 am

Again I am saying this. No a 767 can't be able to go to MDW. This has been talked about a lot and they can't cause of the runways, the houses and the noise restrictions(and some other things). The largest they can handle in a Boeing would be a 757-300. They may use this plane for IND-LAS and other routes except MDW.
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:09 am

CcrIR is right.... No 767 for MDW!!!

This aircraft would ONLY be a replacement for the L1011's and not consist of new 767-400's. More than likely the 300 model as discussed above. Also, no ATA L1011 has ever landing at MDW, ORD yes...MDW no. If you recall ATA did ORD to Hawaii for a while, but in the last few years the L1011's were only used for Charter work. Much like these 767's would be used for.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 9:26 am

Check the past posts about 767's and MDW.
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:41 am

I dont think noise restrictions will keep a 767 out of MDW since Northwest flies its noisy DC-9s there plus ATA and NW with their 727s there.

But yeah, the runway is only 5-6000 ft long and if it did get off the ground, I could see a couple roofs knocked off of houses.

As for 767s replacing L1011s, they are rumors until we get an official release by ATA or a credible source

I know everyone wants the 764 to fly in ATA colors including me, but again these are rumors.
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:19 pm

I dont think noise restrictions will keep a 767 out of MDW since Northwest flies its noisy DC-9s there plus ATA and NW with their 727s there.

TZ does not operate any 727 aircraft, they haven't for a year now.

But yeah, the runway is only 5-6000 ft long and if it did get off the ground, I could see a couple roofs knocked off of houses.

It'd probably be an improvement  Smile

Anyway, all this talk about "can't fit a 767 into MDW" is all fine and nice, but remember that TZ services more than just MDW. There are the LAX and SFO to OGG/HNL routes, LAX to CUN, IND to LAS, IND to MCO, IND to *insert florida city during spring break* and a lot of other operations a larger plane would work nicely on. I've heard TZ are looking to expand service out of IND, and I can see this as a definite happening once the new terminal opens at IND in 2007.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:41 pm

Just to make it perfectly clear... If ATA aqquires 767, they will be for charter work - primarily military. They will not be used for scheduled services.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:41 pm

I think a 767 in ATA colors would be awsome. But again as stated these are all plane rumours. I asked a couple of ATA pilots that live in GRR and jumpseat to MDW and they didn't even know anything about PIT being added to the list of new destinations.

As for EMB's for C8 they would be in addition to the SAAB's. We will run the SAAB's on the shorter or less popular routes. The SAAB's would be for the launger halls, GRR - IND and MKE - IND. They would also be used to start to pickaway at Southwest's destinations where it is not economically sound to fly a 737 out of.

Again these still are rumors.
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:54 pm

If they got 767s, they would be used for football charters and for the bowl games around New Years
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:55 pm

As far as I know, Varig wants to keep the 6 767-3s, probably the airline will return all B762s, so it could be possible for ATA to get 762s just in case they take RG's...

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:05 pm

Just to make it perfectly clear... If ATA aqquires 767, they will be for charter work - primarily military. They will not be used for scheduled services.

Not completely accurate. L1011 still sees mainline service based on demand and availability, I've seen it as recently as within the last two weeks. You are correct in saying "primarily" though.

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:05 pm

I agree with Ndege on this one. If there is no military charters and or commercial charters then why by the aircraft? All then they will do is sit on the ground and not make money. I would bet you could/would see them on some long haul commercial routes. LAX - HNL, OGG, LIT during high peak travel times to the Hawaiian islands
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:16 pm

The routing of the new ERJ-145s would be interesting to guess, if they happen. First and foremost would be...where will they do Mx? SBN still? Okay...there is one city. The top 5 largest cities would be next...FNT, TOL, GRR, MKE, and DAY. IND will also see it for intrahub traffic. We'll then probably see several others added in - OKC, MEM, ROC or SYR, ALB, and maybe even YYZ. Lord willing, they will then take some of the displaced Saabs and begin more p2p flying out of IND...FNT, TOL, DAY, etc. Why? Offer additional connection opportunities and reroute options when MDW is hosed. Nothing more than a flight or two a day - however, it is only going to take one or two full fare passengers to make it profitable.
 
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:15 pm

How about do even think wanting orders on B764 aircraft for TZ. I really wanted to see new airplanes for that. Yes, It will be replaced from older L1011s aircraft to B764 aircraft soon. Looking forward see new color for ATA.  Smile

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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:49 am

I do agree that the C8 spoke cities do need some routes to IND. When MDW is shut down, be it weather, all the C8 cities get shaffted and have to reroute the pax on other airlines and cost the company a ton of money, with flights to IND we would eliminate that problem. There has been talk for the longest time about giving the larger C8 cities flights to IND. The top 5 are all the ones that Ouboy79 said and help feed the IND system. There also has been some talk on sending a few SAAB's down to PIE and feed that operation from ATL, MSY, JAX and so forth....it would be interesting to see how it plays out
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RE: I Think A 767 In ATA Colors Would Be Awsome

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:46 am

Yes it does  Smile


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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:49 am

Nice rendition for the paint job....i really do like..now just do an EMB145 in C8 colors and we are all set.
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:32 am

Ok, should have spent more time on the titles (they're horrible) but you get the picture  Big grin


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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:54 am

I think i really like...can't wait to see it for real
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RE: 767 And EMB-145 For ATA?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:36 am

I'm not so keen on the IND idea...yeah it would be nice to find another airport to rely on when weather in MDW takes a crap. I just found out that C8's minimum visability for approaches into MDW is currently 4,000ft RVR! That's really high considering most airports are around 2,400ft RVR. Anyways, back to the IND thing, looking at their schedule right now, they have 25 daily flights outbound and 12 of them are to MDW. So, they would need to up their flights out of IND majorly.

My take on the RJs, is that they would go to only a few higher density cities existing in the system now like FNT and GRR and DAY. I would see the majority of them going to further reaching destinations like CAK and maybe TYS or GSO. The Saabs are very cheap to operate and the 145s would cost more to operate so the longer distant flights would probably roll in the more money.

Just my money's worth

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