clipper471
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DFW Weather Diversions

Sun Apr 06, 2003 2:34 pm

SAT and AUS received a handful of diversions due to weather over DFW between 20:30 and 21:00 Saturday evening.

The most notable diversion SAT received was a Delta 767-300 that originated at MCO; it stayed on the ground for about 90 minutes before making the hop to DFW.
 
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Sun Apr 06, 2003 3:59 pm

In OKC AA had a 757 from STL and a MD80 from YYC that diverted here. I was shocked to see an Intl. flt cause we have no US Customs at the Airport. I guess everyone had to stay on the plane. SUCK it was on the ground for over 1.5 hrs
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eyesspee
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Sun Apr 06, 2003 11:58 pm

My old man has gotten stuck there over night. He was on his way MEX-DFW-LAX-MEL-PER. His flight from MEX was delayed due to the storm, and apparently the hail was so bad that it damaged aircraft on the ground, such that his flight from DFW-LAX never left the ground. Consequently missed his LAX connection and will get home a day late.

Must have been a pretty bad hail storm to actually damage the planes! Poor AA ....
 
AIR757200
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:46 am



Well over 40 aircraft damaged (AA and a few TW planes) from what I've gathered, that includes a 777.  Sad

Several cancellations today.



 
AIR757200
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:48 am


Wait, make that 2 777's.
 
AASTEW
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:58 am

Northwestair,

Flights from most Canadian cities to the US clear customs before they depart Canada, FYI.

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dadoftyler
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:25 am

Just demonstrates how localized weather can be. My home is 1/2 south of 183 at Esters and we never saw a single hailstorm.
 
dadoftyler
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 1:27 am

Woops...meant hailstone, not hailstorm....some things spellcheck doesn't catch...
 
OPNLguy
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:42 am

For those not able to see it on radar yesterday, what occurred were some supercell thunderstorms. It started out as only a single one about 70nm due west of DFW, and the cell was moving from 260 at 30, later 270 at 30. This supercell pretty much had the northern third of the Dallas-Fort Worth area in it's path (which included DFW). As this cell approached DFW, the othet two supercells formed up in the path of the original supercell, and followed it. It was the first and second of these three that whacked DFW and dropped hail at the airport and surrounding suburbs. (The third supercell turned NE and went by DFW's north side.) The hail was generally 2-3 inches in diameter, although some saw smaller, and some small larger.

The aircraft damage at DFW was largely due to the hail's impacting upon various horizontal control services, most of which are made of compositite materials. While many aircraft were damaged, the event doesn't inititally appear to be as bad as the hailstorm that went through about 10 years earlier. In that event (with bigger hail) about 40-50 aircraft (IIRC) were damaged, with some being out-of-service for weeks.
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jhooper
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 4:53 am

It's too bad you can't just pull the planes into the hangar...
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:04 am

>>>It's too bad you can't just pull the planes into the hangar...

Some were, but with DFW being a hub for AA and DL, there were more aircraft than available hanger slots.

Someone once asked me about building some type of enclosure of the parking gate areas, sort of like some car dealers do to protect their inventory from hailstorms. Doing so for the gate areas would be an expensive proposition (as if most airlines today had any free funds laying around), and actual airport hailstorms with aircraft damage don't happen all that often. I guess their attitude might be "that's what we have insurance for" and take the hit when they have to.
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:56 am

I was just out at DFW and taking some pictures. I saw approximately 40 AA aircraft parked outside the hangars and on the taxiway---including a taxiway next to the diagonal runway! It was absolutely amazing. In addition to all of that I saw about 5 United planes parked on the ramp next to the gates, a few Continental planes parked on the ramp. I didnt go to the eastside of the airport, but I imagine it was more of the same with DL. I will post the links to my pics of some of the groups of AA planes that were parked. I also saw a bunch of pissed off mechanics working on Sunday!  Sad
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nonrevman
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 6:06 am

Delta was very fortunate with this storm due to the fact that the East Coast 7-8PM flights got out right before it hit. There were not that many planes out here in Concourse E at the time of the storm. Some hailstones were approaching the golf ball size variety. Most of the planes making up the West Coast flights were not in yet, so we were very lucky.
 
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:50 am

We saw hail which was larger than a golf ball, smaller than a baseball- maybe squash ball sized?

Sad to hear that a number of the planes on the line at my FBO at KADS were damaged; one of my favorite Warriors had its windshield busted out (!); went out there, saw most all were significantly hail dented. Many had plastic or fiberglass surfaces broken (i.e., wingtips on Archers & Warriors).
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
 
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 8:55 am

I just returned 30 minutes ago from DFW (EGE-DFW-MIA). My flight was delayed and we came in on the western diagnol runway (not sure of the numbers) and I saw all of the planes parked! Amazing!
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jcs17
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RE: DFW Weather Diversions

Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:43 am

Mia777, is this what youre talking about?  Laugh out loud

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=60675
Note that there were 2 airplanes to the left of me, and 3 to right out of the range of the photo.

I also have a pic from the front of hangar where there were about 10 disabled planes in the photo. However it turned out a bit blurry so I decided not to upload it. If you want to see it, you can email me, and I'll be happy to send it to you.

Luckily for AA, most heavies were gone for the day, I only saw two or three 767s and 777s that were in maintenance for hail damage.

All day, I saw trucks delivering rental lifts for the planes.

Amazing...hail and aircraft dont mix.

Oh, and if your wondering how the day of photography went...it was a bit disappointing. The Trans Canada 319 landed on the diagonal while I was taking pics on 18/36, and the YX 717 ended up not being scheduled to DFW today.

[Edited 2003-04-07 03:46:39]
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