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BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:14 am

WABC News has just announced that brittish Airways will terminate services of the Concorde. They have no further details at the moment, other than it will be halted in the next weeks.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:21 am

There was a similar article in the Daily Mail today!
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:33 am

Umm,have BA made a statement or this is part of the media's generally outstanding coverage of all things Concorde?
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:40 am

Reuters agency are reporting that BA are about to decide when they will retire Concorde, though they give no indication of when it might be.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=2534163

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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:14 am

Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just making this up?
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:17 am

Air France announces the same AS OF 2007!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:18 am

Sorry, we;ve already been discussing this today, however under a different topic name:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1063303/
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:20 am

hmm, another weekly topic to add to the NW/DC9-retirment theme  Insane
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:31 am

If AF, as long planned, stay with 2007, expect BA to do the same.
31 years in service, that's fine with us, we'd like longer of course, but we live in the real world.
If however it is much sooner, well me and my colleagues are on the scrapheap, the way things are now.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:55 am

Funny. Couldn't hear what they were saying, but Concorde was all over the TV news an hour ago (including reporters in the aviation museum in Duxford).

OK, this is from BBC.co.uk:

Concorde future 'still undecided'


Concorde has been ravaged by safety problems
British Airways has insisted no firm decision has been taken on whether to retire its famous Concorde service.
The statement came on Wednesday after reports the supersonic plane was to be put into retirement "within months".

But a company spokeswoman said it was still considering the aircraft's future, in a process which had reached "an advanced stage".

Air France has made no comment on whether it is close to pulling its Concorde service, after reports it would retire the service by 2007.

There has been no announcement

BA spokeswoman

Concorde has been blighted by a rash of problems.

Three years ago 113 people were killed in the Paris crash.

At the end of last year it also emerged engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another flight was forced to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.

A BA spokeswoman said: "We have already said that we are looking at a retirement date for Concorde and this date is still being considered.

'Anglo-French project'

"There has been no announcement."

Currently, BA's Concordes are certified to fly until 2009.

Both Air France and BA Concorde services have been badly affected in recent months by the American economic downturn and the Iraqi conflict.

The plane, born out a joint Anglo-French project, and developed by engineers at Filton, near Bristol, operates daily out of London Heathrow and Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport to North America.

It cruises at around 1350 mph at an altitude of up to 60,000ft (11 miles) meaning a crossing from Europe to New York takes less than three and a half hours.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and the Civil Aviation Authority both say Concorde remains safe to fly.

The Paris crash was blamed on debris on the runway which punctured a tyre.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:09 am

Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just making this up?

READ MY POST! it was announced on WABC 770AM radio in NYC.

*****
If AF, as long planned, stay with 2007, expect BA to do the same.

That may or may not be true--economics differ between the airlines.

LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.thisistravel.co.uk/travel/standard/article.html?in_page_id=1&in_article_id=32784


Instead of flapping your gums ---read posts since this link was quoted by AMb already.



[Edited 2003-04-09 21:10:34]

[Edited 2003-04-09 21:12:32]
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:42 am

As I said on the other thread, the 'technical' side of the BBC report was rubbish, it says a lot about today's media that even the BBC lapse into ignorant tabloid-speak, all those 'media-studies' graduates infecting everything maybe.
Sources in the suppliers say they've heard nothing about an early retirement, and they would be the first to know.
The AF 2007 date is very old news.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:46 am

bmacleod said:

>Just checked BA website...NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON RETIRING THE
>CONCORDE!!! 747-451 where did you here this nonsense or are you just
>making this up?

He quite clearly stated where the information came from, and two other forum members gave clear sources of further information almost half an hour before you posted.

You might want to invest in a new set of eyeballs.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:49 am

"Sources in the suppliers say they've heard nothing about an early retirement, and they would be the first to know."

What sources  Yeah sure ? and suppliers are not always the first to know...
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:05 am

Put it this way, I'm more likely to know what's going on than you.
I certainly do not claim to know it all by any means, there is uncertainty, a lot of it, some of BA management's actions and the story hungry media don't help, but that is also true in most of the whole industry right now.
With Concorde the suppliers would definitely be amongst the first to know.
If you want a good idea of what is going on, this site has good sources from all parts of the Concorde operation, airlines, manufactures, suppliers, the lot;
http://www.concordesst.com/latestnews.html
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:18 am

However, again, suppliers are not allways the first to know, and I saw nothinghere to refute the news reports.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:31 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2934257.stm

I checked the BBC- seems it's the end.

Long live Air France Concordes- but I can't help but think they will end concorde's futures as well.

RIP to the best airliner of our generation.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:33 am

I hate to add to rumours, but we at Waterside have been called for an emergency meeting before work tomorrow (thursday) and no one knows what it's about. However, an announcement about Concorde is the rumour. I really really really really really hope it's not  Sad  Sad  Sad
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:34 am

B747-451,they will be going to Virgin ,right?
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:35 am

Hey, just read this post......please please please let it be about this:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1064172/ ... the BA/AA codeshare approval!!! Fingers crossed
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:37 am

With Concorde it's different, it is a tiny, specialized fleet, supplier issues are more apparent than with other airliners, in fact there is a world of difference with normal airliners with 100's or 1000's of aircraft, and a huge customer base.
Most of our problems are supplier related.
And if you believe some parts of the media, over those who are involved with the aircraft, not much point in looking at sites like this, get your info from the tabloids instead.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:37 am

747-451,

If there was anything I needed to know about Concorde operations, I would ask the gentleman that you are putting down. Cool your jets, so to speak, and ease off on the little sarcasm icon.

BTW, WABC is not the end all be all of news sources. It is a story, not Scripture.
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:43 am

...not that the story might not be correct, just ratchet down the tone a bit.

Consider at least that the man may be out of work soon?
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:45 am

 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:54 am

Associated Press
British Airways to Discuss Concorde
Wednesday April 9, 4:39 pm ET
British Airways to Make Announcement on the Future of Concorde Soon


LONDON (AP) -- British Airways said Wednesday it plans to make an announcement soon on the future of Concorde, but declined to comment on a report that it will withdraw its supersonic jets from service later this year.
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The British Broadcasting Corp. said the airline would make an announcement Thursday that it is retiring the service, probably by the fall, due to a drop in demand.

"We have made no secret of the fact that we are reviewing the future of Concorde," a BA spokeswoman said Wednesday. "We expect to be able to make an announcement shortly and that is all we are saying."

The airline said in February that it was reviewing the service and expected to make a decision in the months to come.

BA's review of the service includes examining the number of passengers flying Concorde and the price they are willing to pay. British Airways offers seven roundtrip Concorde flights from London to New York a week. The trip takes little more than three hours. But a ticket costs 7,000 pounds (about $11,000.)

Concordes also are coping with some concerns about their safety. A crash in Paris in July 2000 killed 113 people. Later, engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another had to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.

Air France is the only other carrier to fly the aircraft.


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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:00 am

4Holer;

"If there was anything I needed to know about Concorde operations, I would ask the gentleman that you are putting down. Cool your jets, so to speak, and ease off on the little sarcasm icon.

BTW, WABC is not the end all be all of news sources. It is a story, not Scripture"

I am not putting anyone down, I am stating a fact that not all companies tell their suppliers-I know it because I have worked for a company that folded and did not tell the some of the suppliers until the last days; If the person I am replying to has involvement with the Concorde, then say so. As far a being out of work, they have my sympathy; I was unemployed for a long while after my company failed after 9/11.

WABC and the link from the UK Mirror are not scripture, no media is but this is in several sources.

As far as the "sarcasm"--well perhpas people should read the entire thread and links before they make a reply.

747-451
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:31 am

I've indeed read it all.
And if you've spent much time in this forum at all, you'd know that he works with the Concorde for BA. Thought it was common knowledge. Sorry, I guess it isn't.
Do a quick search for threads/posts authored by him.

Of course, Concorde retirement is looking more likely with each story, but I'm hoping against hope that the grounding is temporary. I'm not betting on it though.
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:38 am

I am sorry if I offended GDB, I didn't know he was involved-if I would have known that I would have said nothing! (PS I flew on the Concorde in 1979 with my parents. It will be a sad day if she leaves the skies. I am glad to have experienced it, especially since it was on "British") I hope the grounding will only be temporary, until the economy picks up-or atleast if they don't ground it completely, at least keep it for "luxury" charters....

 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:41 am

Hmmmh. Now if only Branson would make a big, genuine offer (not likely though) instead of seeking publicity....

So, given all the stories, it's off to the museums for the birds.

Pity.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:58 am

With all due respect to GDB's inside position, he wouldn't be the first company employee to find out that he's the last to know about a senior management decision - and that the media has it exactly right. Happens all the time, if you believe half the gripes that I hear from inside pilot, cabin crew and mechanic circles.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:58 am

I suggest that all forumites who've wanted to fly Concorde but have never done so AND can afford to, make plans to do so soon. All of these assorted reports seem to be very convincing evidence that THE END of supersonic commercial passenger service is nearly upon us. How is it surprising, in view of the world downturn in air travel, that BA and AF can't make money on Concorde? It's only logical in these dire times that a service way too expensive for most individual and corporate fliers would get the axe. All of the romantic notions about how magnificent a flying machine Concorde is don't count against the brutal realities of hard economics. Face it, doubters, this lovely old bird's days are coming to a close. I wouldn't bet that the SSTs will be kept until 2007, or even, perhaps, beyond this year.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:54 am

I will retract this if I am proved wrong tomorrow...but the winter tiemtable is the money maker for BA and Concorde, especially the Barbados route.

If they are going to stop it would always be after a season of this which runs Nov-April.

I have spoken to a few people who would need to be in on the desision and they have heard nothing that would effect them
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:39 am

PS.

Also meant to say that the BBC's transport Correspondant's email address is:

simon.montague@bbc.co.uk

I will be first to congratulate him tomorrow on his scoop if, unfortunately, it turns out to be correct. Vice-versa I will be first to send an email to him if he is wrong.

I hope everyone will join me.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:24 am

The Financial Times today is reporting that BA will on Thursday announce that Concorde will be grounded due to cost concerns. The article also says that Air France will probably follow suit.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1048313625942&p=1012571727085

Very disappointing...
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:22 pm

Much eating of hats and humble pie, perhaps...?

From British Airways:

London April 10, 2003: British Airways announced today the retirement of its
Concorde fleet of seven aircraft with effect from the end of October 2003.

The airline said that its decision had been made for commercial reasons with
passenger revenue falling steadily against a backdrop of rising maintenance
costs for the aircraft.

Detailed discussions over an extended period with Airbus, the aircraft's
manufacturer, confirmed the need for an enhanced maintenance programme in the
coming years, the carrier added.

British Airways has decided that such an investment cannot be justified in the
face of falling revenue caused by a global downturn in demand for all forms of
premium travel in the airline industry.

The downturn has had a negative impact on Concorde bookings and is set to
continue for the foreseeable future, according to the airline.

Rod Eddington, British Airways' chief executive, said: 'Concorde has served us
well and we are extremely proud to have flown this marvellous and unique
aircraft for the past 27 years.

'This is the end of a fantastic era in world aviation but bringing forward
Concorde's retirement is a prudent business decision at a time when we are
having to make difficult decisions right across the airline.'

Noel Forgeard, president and chief executive officer of Airbus, said: 'Airbus'
predecessors Aerospatiale and British Aircraft Corporation created Concorde some
40 years ago and we are proud of this remarkable achievement.

'But its maintenance regime is increasing fast with age. Thus, as an aircraft
manufacturer, we understand completely and respect the decision of British
Airways, especially in the present economic climate.

'It goes without saying that until the completion of the very last flight, we
will continue to support the airline so that the highest standards of
maintenance and safety are entirely fulfilled.'

Mr Eddington added that today's announcement is not a direct result of war in
Iraq.

He said: 'While the threat of war and resulting military conflict have had a
further impact on premium travel demand, the decision to retire Concorde has
been based on a long-term revenue and cost trend rather than recent events.

'I would like to place publicly on record my sincere thanks and appreciation to
all our staff, past and present, who have made the Concorde story one of the
most compelling in the history of commercial flight.

'Our pride in the aircraft will never wane and I am determined that we make its
final six months in the sky a time for celebration.'

Retiring Concorde will result in £84m write-off costs for the year ended March
2003.

The airline is already planning to make its Concordes available for the public
to view in museums.

To honour the past 30 years of supersonic travel, British Airways will announce
shortly a programme of special events and promotions for air travellers.

For the next few months, British Airways will continue to operate its Concorde
services between London Heathrow and New York JFK and seasonal services to
Barbados.
 
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RE: BA Concorde Service To End

Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:25 pm

Well, with everyone's permission, I will archive this thread now so that conversational energies can be focused on the new thread, since this is now no longer rumour.  Sad
Next flight.... who knows.