ConcordeBoy
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International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 7:57 am

I often wonder what exactly are the international travelers' benefits from the outcome of the proposed DL/NW/CO codeshare arrangement.

Though I and many others may salivate at the thought of riding a nice/safe RedTail out of NRT on DL code... to some exotic SE Asian destination... I often wonder if this is in the plans at all: all implications so far only point to domestic cooperation, and seem to say absolutely nothing as far as intercontinental networking.

Since I dont live in Galveston, or travel between Flint and Ogden, or anything like that... this alliance would seem like a complete waste of time/effort should the domestic codeshare be the say-all-to-end-all. Anyone have any idea if/when/how the international network of these carriers will be treated??
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 2:49 pm

ConcordeBoy,

[typical airliners.net response]
You won't be able to fly between Flint and Ogden. Delta Connectrion (Comair and Atlantic Coast Airlines), Northwest Airlines and Northwest Air/Jetlink (Mesaba and Pinnacle) already serve Flint -- CommutAir will inaugurate service later this summer. However, no commerical airline serves Ogden.
[/typical airliners.net response] (ohhhh, that feels sooooo good)

DL/NW/CO will indeed codeshare on international flights. Domestic flights will be coded first, followed by Atlantic and then Pacific. Latin America will also be coded. Not sure on the timetable, however.
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:39 pm

Well, a lot depends on KLMs role in that alliance. If indeed KLM/Northwest stay together, it is almost certain that on the transatlantic market AMS will be THE hub for all four airlines. If KLM plays a minor or no roll in this alliance, we might see some changes to the current transatlantic network. This might perhaps even result in more European airports getting nonstop service to EWR/DTW/MSP/ATL respectively, as that is one thing where a new alliance could operate with a marginal amount of competition. Over the past few years central Europe has been changed a megahub structure with no airports other than FRA, CDG, LHR, AMS and maybe CPH and MUC playing a major role in transoceanic travel. Passengers from other large source markets, such as HAM, DUS, BCN etc, now have to use one of these hubs and would most likely be happy to use nonstops to the US. In fact many people are outraged by the recent inauguration of Business-Only flights from Munich and Duesseldorf to Newark and Chicago as they feel that Lufthansa purposely increases the gap between Business travellers and "low value" economy travellers. There clearly is a huge potential there.

But what will really happen - it's the old surprise game all over.
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:08 pm

So does that mean if I travel on DL to BOM from CDG, I can earn NW Miles w/ my NW card?

Leo/ORD
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Un

Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:19 am

I don't think that AMS would become the premier destination for all four airlines if KLM joined SkyTeam. AF is by far larger than KLM, and CDG is much larger and has much more room available than AMS for expansion. I think that the two hubs (plus MXP/CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO with AZ) can coexist peacefully, and I think that you would see more NW service to CDG, a CLE-CDG on Continental, and CVG-AMS on Delta or KLM.

Leo, with your situation, yes, you will be able to get NW miles on all DL flights when this goes through.

As with trans-oceanic segments, each carrier will be able to contribute significantly to each others. DL (and CO) will gain access to the Pacific Rim, where they have little presence (or in CO's case is a pain in the neck to get access to, often connecting in EWR/IAH, then in HNL, then in GUM). DL and CO's Latin America and European networks fit in quite nicely, and NW will get even more access to Europe.

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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:41 am

If indeed KLM/Northwest stay together, it is almost certain that on the transatlantic market AMS will be THE hub for all four airlines

I really cannot see AMS displacing CDG as the structural center of SkyTeam's Euro-operations





DL/NW/CO will indeed codeshare on international flights. Domestic flights will be coded first, followed by Atlantic and then Pacific. Latin America will also be coded.

You still failed to answer my question.... based on what evidence?!
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Un

Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:09 am

I believe I remember reading a Press Release saying that Phase I is United States/Canada/Caribbean, then Phase II would be other international traffic.

Jeff
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:20 pm

ConcordeBoy,

The information I posted above is in public domain and has been mentioned numerous times in various press releases and statements. I answered your question, if you’re looking for “evidence” then I kindly suggest you do a Google search (or better yet, check FlyerTalk as there’s multiple threads discussing this & the prospects of NW perhaps picking up ATL-NRT).

[Edited 2003-04-13 06:30:33]
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:59 pm

Hopefully, the combination of NW/DL/CO and their partners' operations at LAX will be able to sufficiently feed a NW LAX-SYD flight!! Between the three airlines and Alaska Airlines, a lot of key markets would be covered. Also, you would have KL from AMS, CO/VS from LHR, AF from CDG and AZ from MXP if they still fly to LAX. Probably just a pipedream on my part!!
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:04 pm

I have simple question of NW/CO/DL and when will be began codeshare with Delta & Continental and Northwest? I need to know about exactly will be used with my skymiles on code with NW/CO? This is my part to need do something flying to DTW & MSP? Maybe if I even will flying to DTW into the future to see new midfield terminal there. Please let me know if you guys have anything of the question to me. Thanks!

Regards!

Scott W.
 
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International Implications

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:30 pm

Why couldn't there be two major European hubs for that?
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:10 am

check FlyerTalk as there’s multiple threads discussing this & the prospects of NW perhaps picking up ATL-NRT

More like discussing what they'd like to see happen with the alliance, versus any concrete evidence of int'l cooperation.
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:08 pm

ConcordeBoy,
In my first response I answered your question. In my second I told you my source. If a press release or application form isn’t “concrete evidence” to you, then I don’t know what is. A ticket to BKK on DL (from ATL-NRT) / NW (from NRT-BKK) in your name perhaps?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Tue Apr 15, 2003 9:52 pm

ConcordeBoy,
To back up IndustrialPate, the following is a quote from the Northwest Airlines employee website.
"Intenationally, Northwest would add DL cide flights to a portion of its Asia/Pacific routes. Delta would add NW and CO flight numbers to a portion of its Latin America flights. Continental adds DL code to a portion of its Latin American flights. Over time Delta, Continental and Northwest will seek broad transatlantic codesharing."
to back up
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:58 pm

Does anyone actually know when the codeshare will begin? As in, a date?
 
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RE: International Implications For The DL/NW/CO Union?

Sat Apr 26, 2003 3:34 pm

My understanding is third quarter of this year, but I keep reading different information. The CEO of Northwest made a comment today saying that they may get it going this year, which doesnt sound very imminent

Jeremy

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