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Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:59 am

Given the current problems in South East Asia, SIA has decided to retire the A310 fleet early. The last A310 flight will be on 31 May 2003.

The situation is fluid and this may well change should the conditions improve, but the chances are highly unlikely.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:01 am

MEA's 3 A310-200s are leased from Singapore. However, with the 3 brand new A330-200s that MEA ordered coming in, the A310s are being returned to SQ. Does this mean SQ will immediately retire them when MEA returns them?

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:04 am

Any returning from lease, such as those with Air India and MEA will probably be stored until a buyer can be found or other leases agreed.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:16 am

Thanks for the info Ejazz.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:22 am

Given the current low load factors, I would have thought that the smaller A310 would have been a suitable aircraft to fly on many Aisan routes. If 777s are used instead of the A310s, wouldn't that be a lot of extra capacity?
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 11:20 am

Hkg_clk:

Yes, but getting rid of one aircraft type means that a whole lot of costs are gotten rid of. For example:
- SIA will no longer need to purchase spares for A310s, and it can liquidate its current inventory of spares (most of which are fully depreciated anyway, so SIA may well make an accounting profit from the sales)
- It gets rid of one administrative department.
- There will be savings on training and re-training costs.
- There will be less operational hassles.
Etc etc.

I need to run off now - no time to think or list other cost savings. All in all I think the pros of retiring the A310 fleet early - even in this current climate - outweigh the cons.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:24 pm

That is sad news , I gonna miss the SQ A310 . That plane has definately been a great servant to the airline .


Salute to the old bird !!

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:48 pm

Yes, this is rather sad news. I was pleased to travel on STA and STW recently, in economy and first class respectively.

However, I believe most passengers dislike this aircraft as it does not have the updated IFE.

With the A340s also out of service from 1 July (if not sooner given current events), SQ will only operate the 747 and 777, at least until the 345s arrive.

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:55 pm

Where will the last flight be to for the A310s? Any ideas at the moment?
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:08 pm

Ejazz....

Do you know what is happening to the 310 pilots...?
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:03 pm

Hooray!

A good move I say!

In addition, we must remember that the 777 is much much more efficient than the A310-300.

The 'embarassment' of the Singapore Airlines fleet is to depart! Yay!

However, let us remember the work that they have provided during the 1990s when they looked good.

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:10 pm

"In addition, we must remember that the 777 is much much more efficient than the A310-300"

In whatever way when they can't even fill up the A310s now? I thought the A310s will help SIA save a bit during this crisis.

And the A310s are never and will not be an embarassment... oh come on they are some really good planes!  Crying
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:18 pm

Oh my goodness, since when were they ever 'embarassments' to the SIA fleet - when we must remember that they ARE the workhorses in the SIA fleet flying all the short hops around the region.

In fact, let's remember that SIA are not particularly happy about sending their BRAND-NEW Boeing 777s to regional destinations.

This is no way to send off a plane that has been the workhorse of the SIA fleet for almost 20 years now! Let's pay a tribute to this great little aircraft!

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:44 pm

Well, SIA made them an embarassment by not fitting KrisWorld in all classes and WISEMEN in the front. So it's really self-inflicted.

777 or A310. An informed person would obviously choose the latter.

But yes, I totally agree that this is no way to send off a plane that has worked so hard for the airline.

Let us rejoice in the profits that it has given us and hope that they go to a safe home.


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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 4:50 pm

Actually, isn't the JUBILEE a bit too big at the moment for certain places? Unless consolidation takes place and SIA cancels some flights and rebooks everyone onto a profitable JUBILEE flight.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:06 pm

You can be rest assured that SIA will try their utmost not to let that happen as business travellers value the frequency and the widebodied plane. Most likely, when the travel climate improves, my guess is that SIA will go shopping for new aircraft again. And it will be a widebodied aircraft that is smaller than the Boeing 777 at the moment.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:11 pm

Well they did issue an RFP earlier in 2003 or something although consideration for any new aircraft in the 200 - 250 widebody range has been deferred for obvious reasons.

Question is, will Airbus and Boeing provide one fast enough?
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:32 pm

There already is a suitable candidate - it is just a matter of whether it is adequately suitable for SIA.

It comes in the form of the A-Three-Thirty-Two-Hundred.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:02 pm

The A332? Hmmm.

It isn't suitable for some reason and I've forgotten why. The A335 is OK but the A332 isn't. I might do a search when I'm free later today.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:14 pm

We must remember that although it may not be suitable, it is probably, THE most suitable candidate around - that is if SIA does not want to send it's 777s on regional hops, it does not want narrowbody replacements and that it does not want to transfer those routes to SilkAir.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:15 pm

Hope they will never get that plane. Too many airbus in SIA's fleet already. :S
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:16 pm

Who knows, SIA might offload some of the regional destinations to SilkAir (MI) until the situation improves in the future? That is a solution i can think of for the moment. However, I wonder if MI can support the move with her small fleet of A320s.

That said and done, and nostalgia aside, I am not really a fan of the A310. I have flown it in all classes and found the amenities to be really bare. Probably unfair to compare the A310 to her bigger mates in SIA's fleet since she flies only regional routes. I think of those days when the A310 flew further afield before the arrival of the 777s and shudder at the tought of being stuck in that cabin. Imagine paying a premium price for a SQ tix to Adelaide or Perth and... voila!- you get the A310 with no PTV, manual footrests (urgh!) ...

So yes, here closes another chapter in SQ's history and lets look forward to better days.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:18 pm

Well all I can say is that I'm glad I flew the A310 in January 2003.

In addition, here closes the chapter on toilets with water in them when you enter. Unless the Celestar uses the same system as the 3TENs.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:26 pm

Singapore_Air,

No, the A340s use the vacuum flush system, if I am not mistaken that is. The last time i was on an A340 was in 2000! Haha, so three years have passed since then...

TTT,

A lot of Airbusss?? Are you sure? If the A310s go in June and the A340s in July, they will not be flying any Airbuses from July till December, when the A340-500s come in. And even then, it's only like 5 in a 90-odd strong fleet of Boeing 747s and 777s.

I think too many 777s already, should start trading some in for A332s. :P
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:37 pm

WL - The no. of A340-300s left in the fleet is already too many.... We need to cut down on our Airbi. Maybe some MD-11s would do justice Big grin
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:42 pm

Tsentsan?

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:43 pm

Hahaha, only about 5...yeah that's too many. Later, all the B777s get eaten up then that isn't too good news is it? :P

Let's see...How many Boeings does SIA have now?

B777-200s SQA-SQK : 11
B777-200s SRA-SRL : 12
B777-200ERs SVA-SVM (or is it SVN now?) : 13
B777-300s SYA-SYH : 8
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TOTAL NO. OF B777s: 44
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B747-400s SMA-SMZ : 23
(excludes SMB, SMD and SMX)
B747-400s SPA-SPQ : 16
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TOTAL NO. Of B747s: 39
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TOTAL NO. OF Boeings: 83
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Just FYI. Big grin
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 8:12 pm

S_Air,

That looks good when u put in the wings and have it doing a super powerful takeoff, that would look very nice Big grin Wooohooooooooo......

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:47 pm

According to SIA Outlook staff magazine for April 2003, the A310 was scheduled to be withdrawn from service in November/December 2003, and a tribute was done to it by the latest graduating crew. Singapore 777 has "choped" the magazine for reads, anyone else interested?

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:40 am

9V-SVA,

How can I get a subscription for OUTLOOK if I am not a staff?
Have been trying to get it.
Thanks.

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 1:07 am

Which exact flight will be the last flight? Anyone knows?

I might try to go on the A310 of SQ one last time before they leave  Sad

Sad, very sad indeed...

Speaking of how bad SARS affected airlines, I was onboard a TG A333 BKK-PEN 1 hour ago and me and my dad were the only ones in the C class cabin for 46 passengers and the economy class was only with less than 100 passengers. This routing was recently upgraded to A333 from A300 due to its demand but very sad... Received great service from them and got souveniers for Songkhran. Not bad this time with TG (despite the 45 mins delay partially because no cabin and cockpit crew wanted to pilot this aircraft as it came from Guangzhou before and they needed sometime so spray chemical).
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 1:15 am

I think it's still too early to have the schedule of which flight will the A310 last fly for the moment as yet, we'll see.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:51 am

Singapore777 - You missed out the freighters in your census of SIA Boeings.

The 332 has been evaluated and it still continues to be evaluated (Oh, and S_Air - the 335 is dead for the moment - both SQ and LH don't want Airbus' enhanced range or extra weight). Basic problem is that the 332 is too heavy for its defined "mission" (regional routes) within the SIA network, and so SIA has for now decided it is not worth the extra expense to introduce a new aircraft type and that it is more cost-effective to "abuse" the 777s for regional routes.

It's Hobson's choice, really. Passengers don't want narrowbodies. The most suitable widebody is too heavy and not quite suitable. And SIA doesn't want to hand over key routes to SickAir... erm SilkAir.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:01 am

I remember flying the 310's on several occassions from SIN to BKK, SGN, MNL v.v.; I flew STP, STR, STW, and perhaps another one. I believe I flew STP and STR a couple of times. Which was the one that got hijacked- STP or STR?
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 5:46 am

STP ("Shoot the Pakistanis" - no offense meant, please don't flame me for this) was hijacked.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:19 am

Any ideas which flight it will be operating - my guess would be one of the Shuttle flights from KUL.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:22 am

777 or A310. An informed person would obviously choose the latter.

I think you mean "former" genius....
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:08 am

Of course you would choose the A310 over the 777. Why not?!

Anyway, humour aside, what an embarassing mistake. I did indeed mean 'former' and not 'latter'.

I apologise for any inconvenience caused and I hope to serve you better in the future.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:20 am

and I hope to serve you better in the future.

Woah, easy there. I'm not KROC.
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:38 am

Guess we know where the next batch of FedEx planes are coming from  Smile.
 
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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:09 pm

It's good to hear that SQ has finally decided to retire them.
Yes, they were good, but S_Air is right, they are a little bit of an embarassment.

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:38 pm

Just received this month's OUTLOOK and as SVA mentioned, they featured the last batch of A310 pilots. Now what are they going to do with this batch of freshies once the they retire the A310s in May? Retrench them or train them for another fleet? I seriously don't think they will be retrenched considering how much $$ went into training them....

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Mon Apr 14, 2003 4:32 pm

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:44 pm

Were will they fly after being retired? Sad news!  Sad

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RE: Last SIA A310 Flight 31 May.

Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:21 pm

Just thought - I think I've only been on one SQ A310. Most of my flights were with their 727 'Hi-Tails' and then their 757s for many, many years. A big lapse then followed as BA upgraded their KUL service that saw me rarely connecting in SIN. More recently I have travelled with MAS on their A330s to SIN and on only two occasions flown with SQ (once on their 777 and once on their A340)... weird huh...

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